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Oh, totally agree. AD&D falls down as a sim leaning system simply because the rules are too specific. I can use Thieves Skills to climb a surface, but, there's no guidance to how my fighter can climb. Heck, my fighter cannot even jump. We have no mechanics at all to determine that. Mostly, a...

Actually, that one is diegetic. It exists for both the character and the audience. It is considered diegetic because it has real existence for the character (the character is actually thinking these words) and for the audience listening to it. A 3rd party narrator, such as the Grandfather...

Please stop nit picking. It's incredibly frustrating. Note, the "climb halfway rules" (which I honestly had forgotten) aren't really part of the issue. If you don't like climbing, then how about opening the lock? Obviously the character cannot "half open" the lock. And I love the cherry...

Nope. Because the die roll ONLY takes the character's skill into account. There are no DC's. You open that lock, climb that wall, solely on your skill. There's no rocks, ropes or anything else. A DM that added those is ignoring the simulation. And, nor are you allowed retries. If I fell...

That's where you are 100% wrong. After all, we have no idea why that attack missed. The system provides zero information. Nor does the damage actually provide any information other than the final blow that kills an opponent. The information is completely opaque. It doesn't exist for the...

For that to be diegetic, the characters in the movie would have to react to the music stopping. We might not know why the music stopped, that's true, but, there would need to be a source of that music in the fiction (a radio, someone singing, whatever). It would be non-diegetic if the music...

Moving back to this because this caught my eye. If you want a more sim leaning example of skills from D&D, you'd have to go back to 2e Non-weapon proficiencies or thieves skills (either would work). The reason you fail a check on either of these is because you lack the skill to succeed. Your...

That's not what diegetic means. For something to be diegetic is has to exist for the audience AS WELL. Simply being observed within the fiction does not make something diegetic. Again, take a minute to look up the term "diegetic music". If something in the narrative exists for the audience...

That is not what diegetic means. That is actually the opposite of what diegetic means. Again, I'm sorry, but, you are just wrong here. You really, really are just wrong. If something only exists in the narrative an not external to the work, then it is not diegetic. That's the opposite of...

Again, it's not that I've added anything because you don't need to. Something that exists both within and without the fictional world MUST have some explanation for how it works that is visible to the audience. I've repeatedly shown why this is true. Why did the music stop in the movie...

To be entirely fair though, prior to 3e, there just wasn't a whole lot of ways to focus on character generation. Look at those books you listed. They have options at chargen and then... nothing. You made a couple of decisions before the first session - race/class - and that was it. Then...

And yet, even in AD&D, drow were never kill on sight. That's something that has been added. After all, drow have been playable in AD&D since what, '82? It's not like drow are something new to the game.

Heh, I missed this one on the first spin through but @Older Beholder quoted it and it caught my eye. Now, we both agree that if the DM rolls on the weather table, that's pretty sim leaning. What if the DM simply narrates that it's raining. The DM, without any other input, decides that it is...

Because that's not what diegetic means. It simply isn't. For something to be diegetic it has to exist for both the characters in the story and the readers/viewers OF that story. So, again, it's not diegetic if the wheel all of a sudden falls off from the character's car without the player...

And all that stuff? Not diegetic. Where the camera person is standing? Not diegetic. The props people who build the set and put stuff in it? Not diegetic. So, what's your point? Good grief. The definition of diegetic isn't rocket science. For something to be diegetic it must exist for...

Heh. Perusing Knave 2e and reading through it. Very cool. This one line just totally stuck out with me considering this thread: I wonder where I heard that before... oh right... that's exactly what I've been saying all the way along. LOL.

Now, as much as I've sung the praises of collaborative setting building, I do see the real downside here. I have a player whose primary engagement in RPG's is discovering the setting. He adores peeling back the setting and learning as he goes. He doesn't want to know all about the setting at...

Never minding, just imagine how much depth a setting would have after ten or fifteen years of play with five or six different people collaborating on creation. We're talking a MASSIVE setting with so much depth an detail. And, even better, every single player is actually directly involved in...

Ooooh, I've never seen that one before. That's NEAT. I like. Heading off to spend money now. SIgh.

I don't need to because at no point am I contradicting the dictionary definition. FFS, look it up.