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Note, just to clarify, I am ONLY referring to the system itself. Your game at your table is a whole 'nother ball of wax. As has been said many times, you can drift any game into any style you like. It's just a matter of how much work does it take to mold that game into that style. Something...

And that's totally fair. I 100% agree. Follow your joy. Of course. If you enjoy that degree of world building? Knock yourself out. I'm simply offering an alternative. Do I think the alternative is better? I dunno. It's certainly a heck of a lot faster and requires a lot less work, so...

BTW, why did we keep getting stuck on Runequest? Did I make the mistake of bringing it up? I'll freely admit, I've never played it and know next to nothing about it other than by reputation. But, for some reason, it's become the main example. No idea why, and if it was me, I'm really sorry...

Again, disingenuous pedantry. If we're going to get that far into the weeds that we need to debate the definition of "ducking" then we're done here. That's so far into bad faith territory that it's not even funny. Prove it. Show me the work. The PC takes the dodge action. Ok, fair...

Yes, that's true. I fell because I failed to hit the target number. Now, since none of that has any actual meaning in the game world, as "target numbers" and "die rolls" don't actually exist in the game world, there is still that pesky middle part between me on the cliff and me now lying in a...

All right. I'll bite. I'm completely at sea here. I honestly do not follow what you are trying to say. Can you please clarify?

Ptolus is what, nearly a thousand pages long? Does rather prove my point I think. In something like Ironsworn, in Session 0, the group decides the Truths of the setting - a series of ten or fifteen overall themes of the setting - how heavily or sparsely populated is the area, how long have...

But, unlike D&D, you have a basic answer of "Why did the attack miss"? It missed because the opponent dodged the attack. Again, it doesn'T HAVE to tell you what it looked like. It only has to provide ANY information. And that's exactly what it's done. It's provided a kernel of information...

Sorry, but, haven't you repeatedly talked about how your game world is decades old? That you've been building this world for many, many years? I'll admit, there's a lot of names in the thread, and I might have you mixed with someone else. If that's so, sorry for getting you mixed up with...

Really? You got a flat tire and there is absolutely no way you could know how it happened? There's no puncture in your tire? No damage? The tire is just flat? Wow, that's interesting. You start up your phone. Sure, I have no idea how it works either. But, if your phone was just started...

Wow, that's not disingenuous at all is it?

Absolutely yes. Because none of that was an actual example. You absolutely are introducing things into the fiction. WTF do you think inventing a narration means? How do you narrate the cause of the result without introducing anything into the fiction? That's not rhetorical. That's an...

But, see, that's the point. There is no good for the community here. From my POV, people are being encouraged to do all sorts of unnecessary work that makes the job far, far more difficult than it has to be. And the only reason that people are being encouraged to do it this way is largely the...

See, this is where you lose me. How can something be said to support something that doesn't actually do that thing? Not actively stopping something is not supporting it.

See, that's where the problem came in. I ONLY said my way was faster and easier. I in no way, shape or form said it was the only or even superior way. I know it's the way I'll do it in the future, but, again, hey, if you want to walk a thousand miles, go right ahead. I'm certainly not going...

See, that's why I mentioned the alternative. Me? I'd play 6 months of something like Ironsworn (maybe modify it a bit to make it more D&D fantasty, say). Which means my setting is ready for play in about 20 minutes. I then spend the next six months collaboratively building a detailed...

Well, it's true. I can't really argue against that. If you enjoy walking a thousand miles, a car is certainly not a faster way to travel. 🤷

No. It's doesn't. That's the point. WHY is never, ever explained in D&D. All that you get is the result. The character fell. Why did the character fall? We have no idea. The system is silent. Why did the character miss (or hit)? The system is silent. We have no idea. That's the point...

Heh. It's really funny. Wayyyyy back early in the thread, I commented that D&D was a poor system for sandboxing because of the amount of work required to get the game off the ground. Now, here we are, thousands of posts later, and you're talking about needing six MONTHS of work to get a...

How can something exist for the audience without the audience being able to see any information about how a result occurred? Again, would you play a video game which provided zero information about how the wheel fell off your car? WOuld that be simulationist in your opinion