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    What makes an TTRPG a "Narrative Game" (Daggerheart Discussion)

    I’m a famous no-myth hater and so I endorse this message but it’s a bit more complicated than all that. It depends what no-myth means in the context it’s used. There isn’t actually a reality behind the scenes and so what we’re talking about is the process of (1) deciding what things are in a...
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    What Games do you think are Neotrad?

    No it really is that easy. Remember though, I’m talking about a minimal viable structure. What you find fun and use the structure for, is your agenda.
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    What makes an TTRPG a "Narrative Game" (Daggerheart Discussion)

    This is where I part ways with a lot of other story inclined players. I don’t think the task/conflict split is a good way of understanding resolution. As long as the task is linked to the intent then task resolution is fine. I use my lock-picking tools to open the safe, I roll and fail, I don’t...
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    What Games do you think are Neotrad?

    I think you’re missing the forest for the trees, although that’s partially my fault. How about this. Different types of authority give rise to different types of creative relationship. I dislike the creative relationship between Brennan and his players and between the participants in most...
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    What Games do you think are Neotrad?

    I think you’re focussed on the wrong things, a lot of what you’re talking about is down stream to the issue of sts v narr. You’re pretty earnest so I’ll try and be honest and upfront. When I was playing sts I found my relationship with the GM was they were the entertainer rather than a fellow...
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    What makes an TTRPG a "Narrative Game" (Daggerheart Discussion)

    At one point I thought about doing this for 5E but then I realised to do it well would require a lot of work. I could probably write a really bad guide for doing it.
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    What Games do you think are Neotrad?

    The neo-trad question: I don’t want to get into that because it’s a lot of work to properly answer the question. To short cut the whole thing. Yesterday’s Memories Today – Adept Play Jesse had some issues but basically played Blade Runner as Narrativist. If you want to be lenient then...
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    What Games do you think are Neotrad?

    The question doesn’t really make sense to me except within the context I’ve previously framed. So my answer would be yes.
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    What Games do you think are Neotrad?

    Yeah, A Forge term that was used a lot (and one you may remember) was ‘reading the tea leaves’. The GM is free to utilise whatever bits of the system they want as a suggestion and there is a social expectation that it will color the narration. There’s also some sense in which the use of a roll...
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    What Games do you think are Neotrad?

    No. See my other responses. As much as I use Brennan as a punching bag, he’s selling himself short, he could adjudicate combat totally free-form, if he wanted to. For ease of communication I’m going to call the general style the ‘storyteller style’ (sts for short). So the fundamental, design...
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    What makes an TTRPG a "Narrative Game" (Daggerheart Discussion)

    To address the title of the thread. Narrative game tends to be used in two ways. The first is that you have a number of Ogre counters and you can spend one to have an Ogre turn up. Something like that. The players can establish facts about the world or there’s some kind of meta-currency, meta...
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    What Games do you think are Neotrad?

    I kind of address this in the other thread but let me try again. In Brennan’s style the mechanics mediate in so much as the GM allows the mechanics to mediate and Brennan, for whatever reason, wants to use 5E mechanics for combat. He’s totally wrong about the function of a system because he can...
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    What Games do you think are Neotrad?

    Yeah I’ve read the posts and yeah I think they’re describing the same style. The only difference is that neo-trad designs for the style and Vampire gives you rules and tells you not to use them.
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    What Games do you think are Neotrad?

    At this point it just sounds like you're describing the White Wolf style from back in the late nineties. This is how I used to play and it's how Brennan lee-mulligan plays, how Matt Mercer plays, I thought it was the most common playstyle no?
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    What Games do you think are Neotrad?

    I’m not passing judgement so much as stating that within a specific model (way of looking at the world), there is no such thing as sim. In another model, you can have sim for days, all the sim you’d ever want and then some more. My creative agenda would be Narrativism (or story now, to use the...
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    What Games do you think are Neotrad?

    It was removed as an agenda about 4-5 years ago. Which I think is a great thing because the agenda part of the model makes a lot more sense when you remove it. I’ve said it before but 90% of the people who claim they are sim are GNS Gamists. They’re just confusing what they like about the...
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    What makes an TTRPG a "Narrative Game" (Daggerheart Discussion)

    This phrase used to really annoy me, as if stories aren't logical. Then I spoke to a lot of role-players and they all seem to hate stories, endlessly pick them apart and proclaim they're filled with things called plot holes. So maybe there's something to it...
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    What Games do you think are Neotrad?

    I’ll try and explain myself better (although the following is a bit reductive) When I was doing genre play, I’d kind of play into the genre. So the choices for my character tended to be what was genre appropriate. If I was playing batman (or most super heroes), I wouldn’t kill because that...
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    What Games do you think are Neotrad?

    To further innerdude’s point. There’s a whole load of play that’s similar but for genre. As long as we stay within the genre we’re doing it right. I think both types of play find their enjoyment in looking at how X, X is. So Batman does some particularly Batman things and everyone goes...
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    Playing in the Blank Spaces of the System

    It’s bad theory and I think there needs to be a name for it, the functional fallacy or something like that. There’s an osr blog post, and it’s a brilliant post, just utterly wrong, it’s called something like ’rules elide’, that has a similar take. Or the old one, ‘I use rules that get out of the...
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