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I too was missing the Dragon shield and the like...

ok I totally misread that then... I mean we all have hangups...

um it is an adventure path in the pathfinder world (begins with g!?!?) all of that is answered for him.. but even if not. where do cross bows and swords come from... it doesn't matter. you mean what? magic guns... same as magic swords If the adventure path has them, then they have them...

he is no more misleading then I am or you are... he is still just giving us one point of view, one that doesn't want to consider the other point of view at all... again WHY WOULD SOMEONE BE A PAIN IN THE BUTT AT A GAME THEY WERE HAVING FUN AT?????

I do have limits, but I am always willing to discuss them and try to understand what the other person is looking for... all of that has 0 difference if I play a Ranger, or a Gunslinger... yes but then they say "Hey pick easy things" not "Hey here is a book with some of the most complex things...

the problem is WHY was he being a pain in the butt... you say I don't see the difference between player and DM in this regard... I give both PEOPLE the benefit of the doubt. gee, almost like he was bringing down the game he wasn't having fun at... or wait, maybe your right. Maybe he loved...

no Hussar has argued that you need to compromise... just like I have. well the reason I quote is when I disagree, My problem is until the moment the game starts we are just friends sitting around making plans to play... I include Chargen in that. and again, there are circumstances that fly...

but in order to get there... drum roll please... You NEED TO AGREE.... all of the problems disappear if you agree, by its nature this thread is about what happens when you disagree. except that is the argument... what makes a DM Unreasonable? lets take 4 DMs (at least one of these is me by...

I was just about to say the 2 big brothers to the twig blights...

that is a great way to look at things. Infact I may have to check out this Dan Savage

the problem is why... why did he drag his feet... why did he act like a pain in the ass... it matters because it is the difference between being a jerk, and just not having fun... just take the first part. Why would someone drag there feet when making a character... maybe they can't find...

I also only know what was written here, and addressed this in my post already, there are two sides to every story, and even this side can easly be read the guy was just not having fun...

I think we will just have to agree to disagree here. As I have said Many times over the years for our groups 3.5 was broken out of the box (PHB only) and only worked well when you used later supplements. I agree, but one who had played before could just as easily choose to learn the 3-7...

KarinsDad and I have disagreed a lot in this thread, but I think his way would work fine if said in a friendly way.

I have three problems with this. 1, you call it tyranny of the minority. However you also describe the player as "dragging his feet" could that not also be interpreted as he was trying to find something else he wanted to play... and could not. you then say he was a pain for the two sessions...

no I agree, if one person's off limits is x campaign setting and another is Y race... as long as you can express that clearly there isn't a problem. The problem come when it is hidden.

ok, then I guess we pretty much are on the same page...

your race restriction really come off as "my way or high way" because if someone really wanted to play X you cant' consive of a reason to let them... then the answer to the question of "What do you say when someone wants to play a dragonborn" is "Oh, then I would have made my world fit...

your right instead you call people entitled and other related words... if I remember right maybe whinny... no the problem with our side of the fence is that we are promoting simple ideas like talking and working stuff out, you on the other hand are not part of a group, just you keep being...

I find it funny that you can read into something as if you know if we have trust issues or not...