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If it's exclusively a DM tool, then why not just call it "Rule 0" and not write it up? Seems to me like it's supposed to be used by players. :D

Are you sure that the Rules Lawyer "missed it"? :)

I humbly present my advice from last year, with apologies to any grandmothers:

After seeing the Berserker in Iron Heroes, the ole Barbarian just pales in comparison. ;)

There is a rule in Burning Wheel which tells you when and how often to roll dice. D&D has rules like this too, like telling when and how to roll for initiative or attack rolls. What you are describing as "difference in granularity of resolution" is a requirement that comes from the rule about...

That's a great version. It would be hard to top that one without taking a different angle on St. Nick. :)

It was nice of you to chime back in with some substantive comments, Dr. Awk. I now regret your absence. :uhoh:

Actually, Wil, there's some stuff in your first paragraph that I can respond to. There are rules in Unearthed Arcana which suggest getting rid of armor as a way of boosting AC and instead giving every character a Defense Bonus based on their class. What you see are two different design...

How else are we to compare games except to one another? This confuses me.

I'd merely suggest that you're bogged down in an earlier part of the thread that we have moved beyond. I haven't gone back myself to look at the details, but I think that, at this point in the thread, my position is nothing like what you were suggesting. ;) Wil, I don't think you and I can...

Phil, I think you'd help yourself immensely by actually reading all the posts between the one you quoted and this one. Then reevaluate your criticism without jradkeh's wacky lens. :)

Until you put the scare quotes around that final "roleplaying", I think you were heading for a tautology. :) When I read your quoted text, I immediately think of the following alternate version: I'm thinking of D&D's AC system. Combat in D&D is built primarily on (among a few other things)...

Wil, There's a lot of stuff in your post that I suspect we're just going to have fundamental disagreement on. I'll try to put my side forward and hope we connect. If not, no big deal. :) Why do you doubt it? You're a big vague there. I think my position has strength in its simplicity...

Luke seems a bit pooped by the thread, so I'll try to tackle some of the other questions folks have for him (if I may be so bold!). This is part of why I'm such a formalist when it comes to RPG rules. If your game leans on pro-active players who must go beyond the rules/mechanics gaps in your...

Jdrakeh, I regret that you’ve gotten upset over something as silly as some RPG comparisons. Jim Hague and I are having some good, civil discussion on some specific points of difference between Burning Wheel and D&D that Jim raised. I hope you can gain something from them. P.P.S. to Phil...

Glad to hear it, Sleepy! Don't forget to visit the Burning Wheel forums (through www.burningwheel.com) to have any questions answered. It's a great game. :)

Here's a thread to get you going: http://www.burningwheel.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1060 Really, though, that whole forum is nothing but combat examples! :)

Jim, I sincerely appreciate your mention of specific D&D mechanics in support of the game. I think we can have some good discussion about them. :) I worry that my comments here and through the rest of the thread will come off as needlessly semantic or maybe pedantic. Please don't think I'm...

Glancing over this thread, it has lots of system detail for those who are curious. Probably a better resource than the play threads I linked to. :)

I don't think that anyone (myself included) is suggesting that Burning Wheel allows you to tell different or new stories than D&D or any other fantasy RPG. The choice of Burning Wheel should be precisely because one prefers the mechanics. It's the mechanical difference between Burning Wheel...