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With MtG advertized all over the book and Ravnica being part of the MtG universe. Got it.

So THERE are your MTG rules. Mana color is a RPG consideration. Planeswalkers are just an extra ability given to your PCs if they want to wander the multiverse, and 90% of the stuff in MtG can be mimicked with rebranding D&D stuff. Ravnica, which is a PS article spun out to book-length and...

"Ummm.... Magic the Gathering is repeatedly mentioned in the sample page we have, linked in the first post. And Magic the Gathering is mentioned on the cover. It’s mentioned before D&D on the back cover. And the name of the product on Amazon is: “Dungeons & Dragons Guildmasters' Guide to...

Meh. 4e was the best edition ever! So was 3e. So was 2e... people keep saying that cause they like shinny new stuff, but it doesn't mean they are right. The same people who say they won't switch to 6e likely will and just repeat the cycle.

Doesn't matter. The guilds are there to artificially create tribes for the streaming thing and bring MtG fans to it. It has nothing to do with enriching D&D or the player experience. Guilds create conflicts between players and players who want to get promotions in the guilds derail campaigns.

Lets see... "Ummm.... Magic the Gathering is repeatedly mentioned in the sample page we have, linked in the first post. And Magic the Gathering is mentioned on the cover. It’s mentioned before D&D on the back cover. And the name of the product on Amazon is: “Dungeons & Dragons Guildmasters'...

Planewalkers will not be featured in this book. This book is about guilds.

Lol. A character that enforces the law and one who breaks it in the group. Years of harmonieux play ahead.

There is not much worth spending the money and time on the edition. It doesn't bring much of anything new to the table and doesn't justify its existence aside from not being 4e. The rules are pretty much 3.x, but lighter. If you do not mind meatier rules, why bother with another version of the...

Yes. I've seen Ravnica as part of the MtG universe since 2005. True story. It is, in part, why they used it instead of some new setting build from scratch. If you can't wrap you hear around Ravnica being part of the MtG universe, I can't help you and you'll just have to live in denial.

And that is even more terrible than just wasting an opportunity to mix D&D and MtG. Hasbro trying to milk D&D, a game they do not understand, resulted in the 4e debacle. 4e really hurt the D&D brand and even managed to get it shelved for 2 years. What a waste 5e is turning out to be.

I'm glad to be the first one to tell you Ravnica is in the MtG universe and that MtG has had a few blocks set on Ravnica since then. Welcome to 2005!

Is that Ed Greenwood behind Mirt?

If they are so different, why didthe FR ate them up? Why are the more different ones like Dark Sun, Planescape and Spelljammer more requested when asking WotC for new settings?

Remember, I aready agreed with you the D&D settings were similar and it was just a tweek of flavor. Both are like the FR, but at least with one of them you can add "on brand" MtG stuff and not just guilds. As I said before, settings are just the flavor of the week. Sand and psionics D&D, gothic...

And then there are the Vorpal swords and Magic Missiles that are part of all settings and would indeed by in a D&D MtG cross-over no matter the setting. But your missing the point by focusing on the tree rather than the forest. With this product they aren't on brand and produced something that...

Yeah, when playing MtG roleplay is thrown out the window. You can have Jace and Bolas in the same deck. It doesn't mean anything. That is a pretty silly argument, you tried to make. Of course maybe you play D&D with no roleplay, no lore, no background... Just a competition between players...

Indeed. This is why ultimately at our home game we abandonned settings and started games in Sigil and visited different worlds during a campaign. It boiled down to this week we'll do D&D with sand and psionics or D&D gothic horror or D&D steam-ish punk. It is something the folks at Paizo...

Let's flip this a second and see if the logic still applies. Say WotC used D&D to make some MtG cards. I would expect to see stuff like Bigby's hand spells, Magic Missile, Vorpal sword, the Eye of Vecna, Drizzt, Elminster, Raistlin, etc, cards. Not all of them and maybe not them specifically...

And than the Guildpact was broken. And now Nicol Bolas is gonna invade and Ravnica will get the Yagmoth treatment and that is pretty close to Infinite Avatar Crisis on Toril. Ravnica is just Bigger Waterdeep. With guilds! The comparaison to Sigil is misleading as without the guilds Ravnica is...