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I was thinking about this the other day. It looks like skills and attacks/defenses will be on different bonus progressions, so you can't just create "mixed up" checks, like skills vs. defenses or attacks vs. passive skills. IIRC this issue exists in SWSE, where you make intimidate checks...

I do like stances. It could be fun if the Fighter had some powers that could only be activated in one stance, like in.... WOW!

Why are you discussing my post? Discuss Cleave, tha's what's this thread about.

Looking at the poll results so far: Pirates 1 x 0 Ninjas.

So if I don't like some of the rules I should quit RPG? That's what you are saying? I think if the first thing you think of is "this guy souldn't play RPG" when reading thru a thread, you might want to stop entering RPG boards. Let me correct you: If the first thing I think of is a bag of rats...

If this is correct, the rule sucks a little less.

Of course not, you don't need to make all that effort to convince me otherwise. As I've said ins this thread "It won't accomplish anything useful really, it's serves only to show how some rules could be better designed, or should not even exist." The same in my group, but the rules is still poor.

I don't think it sucks because of the Bag of rats. I think it's a poor rule because fo the bag of rats. I think it sucks because it makes no sense. Why should the adjacent enemy receive 3 pts of damage? The rules doesn't take into account the adjacent target's AC. What if the adjacent is...

My take: A basic At will power to attack with both weapons as a standard action. If you don't have the power, you can attack with one weapon or the other but not both.

I had a player who used to forget his second iterative attack. Some times it's not the rules but the player.

It's all circunstancial. The Power still sucks and could have a better development.

For some reason if you cleave a rat near the Tarrasque, the Tarrasque suffers 3 pts of damage. It won't accomplish anything useful really, it's serves only to show how some rules could be better designed, or should not even exist. It feels to me like the designers spent 5 minutes thinking about...

Three words: Bag of rats.

I'd call the FBI.

I'm sure they doesn't. :(

That's good for the sleep spell and some others, but there are so many different magical and non-magical effects that allow a saving throw. It is gonna be a big stretch in some cases. I'm ok with a Fighter power that gives him a +2 to saves, I just don't understand why they needed to call it...

IMO dodge wasn't complex, it was just a weak feat with an irrelevant bonus.

Effect: Target gives up (save ends).

I agree, but the 80's he-man was cooler ;)

I feel somehow the same, although I can't stand the sentence-by-sentence quoting. :D