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I'm not sure I'd count two versions as "up to our eyes in them". :) Still, should be interesting to see the different approaches that Ari and Eytan & Co take. October looks to be an interesting month. I'm afraid I can't help you that much, as I've never purchased any of their products before...

TerraDave - thanks for the excellent thread. I've put up list of some of the announced 3pp 4e products here: http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?p=4432133#post4432133 Anyone I missed, please post there and I'll update.

In the spirit of TerraDave's excellent complete list of WotC announced 4e products, I've put together a list of all of the announced 3pp/GSL products that have been confirmed. I'm sure I don't have them all at this point, but please post with everything I'm missing. Here's the list, grouped by...

Whoops, you're right. That's nowhere in the rules. Don't know where I got it from (probably from thinking that it was parallel to action points). Ignore what I said.

Good stuff - I remember when our party first felt that we had "hit our groove", also at 2nd level if I recall correctly. Ambushed a small party of orcs in a mountain pass - our wizard hit all of them with her sleep spell thanks to my warlord's bonus to attack when using action points, and my...

This is the correct answer I believe, though it should be noted that no matter how many milestones you have passed, you can only use one daily magic item ability per encounter. Think of it as basically parallel to the action point rules.

I know, very frustrating. I would totally have take Linguist, except I find that I do have some tiny, frail simulationist tendencies in me, and learning 3 languages while in the middle of a dungeon-crawl is over my own "suspension of disbelief" line. Once we get a couple weeks down-time I'll...

Didn't see it on the front page or the last two pages - the latest previews article mentioned the Warlock gaining another option (Dark Pact) in one of the Forgotten Realms books (I think Player's Guide).

Good to hear - competition usually tends to bring out the best in both sides - I look forward to 4e and Pathfinder spurring each other on to higher quality (even if I'm never going to touch Pathfinder - not my style).

I'm actually a big fan of the rogue compared to the ranger - I've seen the DPR charts that show a stormwarden ranger is the highest consistent damage, but that's because you don't need to hit to work a lot of that. A rogue will usually have the highest to-hit of anyone in the party and it's...

Would I consider switching? Definitely, and I'd also encourage it. However, I would not try to force it on anyone - talk to the DM, ask him if he's taken a look at 4 - if he's open to it, suggest a quick play-test so the whole group can get a feel for it - it's much more interesting in play than...

Ditto - I had just discovered Paizo when I found out they weren't going 4e - I'm sad I missed them, as they have a good rep, and if they ever go 4e, I'll definitely at least try them out.

Ditto. Prior to 4e, the only 3pp products I had ever purchased were Iron Heroes and Ptolus from Malhavoc. Since the announcement of 4e, I've spent a lot of time on EN World looking for news and discussion. Based only on the impressions Ari and Clark have given from their behavior on the forums...

Well, I have both. I have one group that just finished KotS and one group that just cleared the first level of KotS - I'm planning to run H2 for the first group, and run portions of H2 for the second one. I haven't actually run any of H2 yet, and I haven't read through the encounters in detail...

I agree, those will be important numbers to see. However, all official indicators (statements from WotC, Necro, Erik Mona, etc) indicate that the core books, as well as H1 and H2, are selling very well and WotC is extremely happy with sales. Check the latest ampersand article and various posts...

I assume you're referring to this line: "Progress is improving and we're excited" doesn't imply that the past performance was good. I think it's ridiculous to call this a lie - over-optimistic hype, sure. Lie? A bit strong. This is also for everyone who is questioning the size of the print runs...

Will this announcement finally put a stop to the random people putting up threads speculating about who will buy D&D once 4e fails financially? It doesn't matter if 45% of poll-voters on rpg web-sites don't like 4e - the game is succeeding without you.

Put me down for a pre-order as soon as possible. I've got a player who would kill for a "nature-themed caster" druid - I think she wild-shaped twice in 9 levels in our 3.5 campaign before we converted.

:) Same reason why it is my system of choice. Returning to the OP's question, I wouldn't make a hard rule either way - in my experience, DMing is like ethics, situational. You can't just declare something in a vacuum and say that this is the right way to do it - you have to judge what the...

One assumes that the Execution Axe will be an exotic weapon like the Bastard Sword. That's the usual trade-off for a weapon that's just flat better. Edit: Ninja'ed, and also I forgot that they're "superior" weapons now not "exotic". Doh!