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Right, I didn't mean to speak for her in any way. Just one of many of my own observations of his conduct. How he actually was is more important to me than how others think he was. Especially when the main body of evidence is a single quote made sarcastically and hyperbolically.

Have you heard of sarcasm?

Understood. I've been following the Trolls for years now and know them well enough to know their character, so their disappointment in how Gygax was portrayed in the foreword carries more weight with me peraonlly.

They responded to Musk's Tweet with: Hope that clears up the confusion.

To be clear, I'm specifically calling out the part in the foreword that states Gygax was a misogynist. If it was worded anything like you have here there would be less issue, for sure. Were are you getting this? I've brought up Kelsey's positive experiences of gaming with TSR alumni, Gygax...

How?

I think the Trolls specifically posting in support of Musk's statement, citing their 8 years of experience working with Gygax for credibility, a clear endorsement of "he wasn't misogynistic", right?

Absolutely. Also agree. If the foreword wrote something to that effect I think there would be less of an issue. You know, like, "Despite Gygax championing women in the gaming industry, there were many insensitive missteps in his work that could be seen today as misogynistic, such as... ".

@Waller Thanks so much for posting this. I've noticed it too and am glad to see some push back finally.

Saw the Troll Lords chiming in too about the statement: Seems like another point for Gygax by people who actually knew him...

Looks interesting, and I will get around to listening to it when I can, but maybe type out a few examples of Gary's misogyny? For example, from Designers and Dragons: An example of Gary clearly being more progressive than his peers. Why couldn't this story be in the forward instead of the...

Probably right. Just have been reading so many "glass half-full" takes on early D&D lately. On a positive note though, thought this was a cool read:

And I'm just here pointing out evidence to the contrary. You know, to add to the conversation. Kelsey's shared experience of feelings of camaraderie with Gygax and team (that led to her becoming a full-time game desinger) far outweigh his decisions to use "Fighting-Man" and gender the dragon...

I'm certainly inclined to take the word of those closest to him then those taking snippets and stitching together they're own narrative. I know he had a habit of sarcastically doubling down on controversial topics that gets taken out of context all the time, but when it comes to those that have...

You guys are only going to encourage Musk to buy ENWorld. 😅

Glad to hear it. Just purchased it myself and looking forward to reading through it.

Not sure if it's been posted, but I think Kuntz's response to the forward is worth sharing too.

In case anyone was interested what was actually written in the book, like me, I found this:

What is that? Absolutely! One of the benefits of OSR games being 95% compatible with each other. Another perfect "AD&D like". Art, rules, presentation, adventures... all 10/10. You should grab the Player's PDF ($12) and take a look, I think you'd dig it. If anything, you could steal the extra...