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    Do you remain Stealthed if you attack yourself?

    And what's even worse is that my cook book doesn't tell me how to interact with my party guests? What kind of cheap, crappy cook book doesn't tell me essential information like that? I demand a refund and this edition of Cooking with Oregano is utterly ruined forever.
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    Do you remain Stealthed if you attack yourself?

    No, it's pretty contradictory. It either assumes effects work on allies or it doesn't. It is written with the assumption that effects do apply to allies still. The first paragraph is badly worded though, but it's intent is still absolutely 100% clear. Much clearer than the DMGs. It's the...
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    Do you remain Stealthed if you attack yourself?

    Yes it does. Think about it: If the first part was intended by RAW to block effects on allies, why would it immediately talk about affecting allies with powers immediately after. So it's pretty clear the first part does not rule out allies being affected by powers. Dragonbreath above can be...
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    Brainstorming Daze

    There are monsters in monster vault that dominate IIRC, the succubus being the obvious contender. There are almost monsters in MM3 that can hilariously automatically dominate you if you dominate them (and they are unaffected by your dominate). The Star Spawn of Ulban or whatever it is I think is...
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    Do you remain Stealthed if you attack yourself?

    I actually really hate that as well mneme, believe me when I first saw a bloodmage run, drop prone and use a +1 implement to attack with destructive salutation I was confused at first. Then it dawned on me the goal was to get the stun UEoNT effect and not the save ends (which a solo could deal...
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    Do you remain Stealthed if you attack yourself?

    For the most part I work around that rules oddity in the same way. If you've got a rampaging horde of demons on one side and on the other, a group of guys going "Run this way to safety, we'll stop them!" - I have a hard time believing the civilians wouldn't count themselves as allies...
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    Do you remain Stealthed if you attack yourself?

    I was about to say that, because your problems with verisimilitude and the vampire go a lot deeper than what they do out of combat. I mean, you really shouldn't be throwing around the word verisimilitude in this context with how the vampire works :) The rats are enemies. 4E has a major flaw in...
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    Do you remain Stealthed if you attack yourself?

    I don't really compromise rules due to badly designed classes: I just change the class in question. It's worth noting that if you allow this, why not allow the vampire to drop rats and get back surges? I mean you're literally at the point where you have a pure example of the bag of rats rule. If...
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    Do you remain Stealthed if you attack yourself?

    You should read the next sentence immediately after, which tells you to use common sense about how powers that target allies work (and in the number of allies they effect). So this isn't actually strictly true either.. This falls right into my points trap. When you start doing this, now you're...
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    You Wanted Character Themes, You Got 'Em - Dragon 399 ToC

    Scales of War backgrounds, wrote by Monte Cook and the FR backgrounds that followed them relatively soon after. Both of those are the strongest backgrounds in the game and arguably are much more powerful than intended (especially looking at how backgrounds developed after). The worst offender...
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    Brainstorming Daze

    Stun is a particular problem for me because it is on so many damn powers miss effects. A power should never ever ever ever stun on a miss, yet some of them actually do. A good example (and one that is quite abusable) is the blood mages destructive salutation. An area burst 3 stun (save ends) and...
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    Do you remain Stealthed if you attack yourself?

    The first thing is that the heading is if the target is a legitimate target. Allies are - by RAW - a legitimate target of healing word (as it targets allies). Is an ally the legitimate target of a daily attack power to get an effect? By RAI, I would think the first problem there is if the ally...
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    Do you remain Stealthed if you attack yourself?

    I've run games with something like 20ish people over 2.5 or so years of 4E, plus other one shots and similar. I have never once had a problem eliminating any of this with the simple RAW bag of rats rules. Indeed the bag of rats being a handy codified rule in 4E makes this kind of discussion very...
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    Do you remain Stealthed if you attack yourself?

    You see, this is incredibly inconsistent and adding some massive complications. You allow the PC to do this normally, yet won't let them just say - pull out a non-magical full-blade (so the attack could never hit) to do it. What about being blinded beforehand and knocked prone in the middle of...
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    Do you remain Stealthed if you attack yourself?

    There actually isn't and in this case, the player almost certainly is. It's entirely a bag of rats issue, because the RC has clearly defined that you can't get effects from attack powers unless your target is a meaningful threat. If your target isn't a meaningful threat, in this case yourself...
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    Rule of Three and THEMES! FINALLY THEMES!!!!

    @Mustrum_Ridcully and @WalterKovacs have got the argument exactly right. Saving 10 damage at the beginning of the fight is irrelevant, unless you are distinctly psychic or nobody in the party ever gets attacked save for 1-2 characters. The best uses of disruptive strike are to prevent really...
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    How do you make Liches interesting?

    The problem with making things up on the fly is it feels arbitrary and unfair to the players, or simply work plain poorly for not being coherently thought out beforehand. Most creatures have a specific set of powers because they are synergistic. For example Dragons have a powerful MBA, which...
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    What's with this stealth errata?

    Yes, yes they did. It was errata'ed once in the documents and then errata'ed again. It was actually stealth errata'ed twice. The first reduced the immortals curse thing from an extra action point, to an extra free action attack. It was then reduced to an at-will attack. It was then changed so...
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    What's with this stealth errata?

    It's not about if I agree or not with the errata, it's that they did it without telling anyone and so I end up making myself look silly. I always thought it shouldn't have had the level and that was a mistake, others did as well. The point there was that it was left intact when the issue was...
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    You Wanted Character Themes, You Got 'Em - Dragon 399 ToC

    I wonder how alchemist will work, because the alchemist feat is virtually worthless as everything you can make with alchemy is uncommon (and therefore by the default magic item rules uncreatable by PCs).
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