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I've noticed people who start polls after discussing things with me tend to skew them one way or another. What if, instead of being the only one stuck in this position, every player had a choice? You could make a 25-pt buy char and then, if she perishes, a character using a 36 point array. Technik

Crothian: There is a difference (vast, imo) between telling someone to make a character using 36 point buy and making a character using 16,15,14,13,12,11. Just because those numbers add up to that many points does not mean they are always equal - the point buyer can adjust his scores to his...

To be fair, Crothian started 3 of the 4. ;) And, boy I need something better to do on a friday night :( Technik

Ah, again you are confusing a preset array of stats and the point buy system. For reference I stated that these arrays could be played alongside each other: 16,15,14,13,12,11 16,14,14,10,9,8 Obviously there is a power gap, we're talkin 11 points on the infallibe point buy scale! However, I...

::cry:: Technik

I just remember those worms and their 6 attacks chewing up a fully healed, raging barbarian in 2 rounds. I also recall a few tough fights, terrain-wise, like were-rats on the rafters or assaulting the sorceress' house and she drops obscuring mist inside (thats where the party wiped, she just...

Simple Weapon Proficiency. Honestly, you either multiclass with a fighting class/PrC if you are going to actually use the weapons or you just take Exotic and get a better weapon. Technik

32 Point Buy (Not necessarily an array) 18,14,14,10,10,8 Superior to my array for Wizards and other classes depending on 1 main stat (you can explain that all the stats matter depending on the campaign, but generally I think its agreed that having higher DCs, more bonus spells, more skill...

Sorry, this was bleeding from my other post. I proposed a numer of arrays and was trying to get a vibe for what people thought the gap was between them (They almost all had the same 3 top scores, but the weaker arrays got continually weaker 'low scores' while maintaining the power of the 3 high...

I think Psychic Warrior was one of the first 'new' base classes for 3e, and I still think they make for great ftr/mage concepts. I dont have the XPH, so this is a judgement based on the original (it was too cool to have a class that could run up walls, charge at angles, etc etc). If you're...

Respectfully Disagree on most of those counts. For reference: 36 pt array, top 3 scores (other 3 scores): 16, 15, 14 (13, 12, 11) 25 pt array, top 3 scores (other 3 scores): 16, 14, 14 (10, 9, 8) The 36 pt array fighter will not hit more often, get hit less, do more damage, or have more hit...

Do you think this applies to the above arrays? How much easier of a time will the 36-pt buy array have than the 25-pt buy array? Technik

I never said it was bad, but hard? Did you actually summon those worms which had way underrated CRs? What level were your characters? I'm just astonished, this module tore my PCs to pieces, and they tried to be thoughtful and creative most of the time (they wiped when they should have flee'd...

Disagree entirely. There are a million different circumstances that can make an easy encounter difficult or turn mundane tanking/blowing stuff up into 'heroic combat'. Also, some modules are just mean (ever play Speaker in Dreams? I *hope* you didnt try with 25 pt buy characters, because I dont...

My question is, given the above arrays, what is the power difference? If you are of the opinion that 3 stats will drive most concepts, the difference between the 36 pt and 25 pt are 16,15,14 and 16,14,14. Or, what point buy total would you equate the 36 pt array with? Technik

Can't you be the underdog with higher stats? Technik

That's also true. But I imagine it would get old rerolling characters only to suffer heroic sacrifice because of low stat possibilities. I agree that low stats can be fun and the game can be played as written. I simply believe that giving heroes higher scores in abilities they don't use...

Higher stats allow for more heroic action potential. It is heroic to tell the party that, as the fighter, you are going to hold the gate and let everyone run underneath, then try and get underneath yourself. However, the rules tell us if this fighter does not have enough strength, his heroism...

True. The epitome or character creation would be trusting each of your players to make their own stats and to not limit them in any way. Then all possibilities are in their hands, but I imagine most people would find it more difficult to create personas without limits (or they would pose natural...

If a player has a concept of 'Mage Prodigy' or 'Innovative Warrior', etc etc using smaller point buys or lower powered arrays make it more difficult for them to stat what they want to play. I'm not sure that could be disagreed. If a system tells you the max is 18 and you want to play someone...