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I'll wait to see the final result to be sure, but I think that was actually a compromise in their eyes. It gives us what we wanted (an irrevocable license to use at least one SRD) without actually admitting that the original OGL couldn't be revoked or deauthorized.

I mean, it's not like Paizo et al are just going to cancel plans for the ORC. So yeah, definitely going to be different going forward, especially if the ORC ends up more permissive than the OGL and attracts a lot of content. But honestly, I see that as a good thing. I think WotC might have...

Go to bed once I've read up on a few threads. Why does all this sort of news have to come out right when I should be going to sleep? Oh right. Timezones.

Agreed. I had already been buying 3pp on a fairly small scale (most recently some OSR stuff), but this has really driven home that I should be paying closer attention and spreading my patronage out more.

Well that's that (for now, at least). D&D is back on the menu. Hell, I'll even go see the movie despite not really being optimistic about it. I think the end result for me is that I've become more aware of 3pp options, so in that respect, this is a complete win. It still remains to be seen...

I'd rather let it burn and move to a different game. That's also part of negotiating: being willing to walk away from a bad deal.

I heavily disagree with this (with a single exception, which I'll get to). Contracts in general are agreements, but the OGL was an open promise to the public in order to safeguard D&D as the authors of 3E saw it against any eventualities that would threaten it in the future, up to and including...

Huh. That's kind of interesting. I had a half-drow character that had the ability to do that kind of forcibly bestowed upon him through magical torture back in the 2E days. It was heavily inspired by the Tzimisce from Vampire: the Masquerade. It also kind of revealed that he was actually a...

Yup. Setting aside the specifics of the 1.2, any attempt to revoke or "deauthorize" the 1.0a is 100% being done in bad faith, as we have ample evidence from WotC themselves that this would not and could not be done. And once they've operated in bad faith and tried to weasel word themselves out...

That's all well and good, but the best I can do is not financially support WotC if they don't uphold the 1.0a. It's not "1.0a or I'm done, unless you're really stubborn and don't listen to me, then I'll take what I can get."

Well, in an effort to put my money where my mouth is, I'm starting to push funds I would be using to acquire 1st party D&D material (mostly old TSR stuff) to 3rd party material. Pledged at the $175 tier since I don't have the 1st volume. This will be my first Kobold Press purchase, so I'm...

There's nothing to stop them from suing people not using the OGL now. Or even people who do use the OGL for that matter. It's all a matter of how likely they are to try and how likely they are to succeed. Basically, if you think WotC's likely to go all Nintendo on websites and start sending...

Honestly, you can say what you want about the quality of specific products, but on the whole, 2E was pretty much the golden age of D&D in terms of settings and fluff. There were definitely some questionable decisions with the rules themselves, and I imagine most (who were playing back then)...

If they can do all that while also keeping OGL 1.0a, then I'd definitely be on board. I'm not against an edition change at all (indeed, I'd rather have one than just a 5.1 excuse to make the old SRD obsolete). If they keep their promises regarding 1.0a, then I will buy whatever they put out...

I've said from the start of this debacle, that's perfectly fine. At that point, they're just competing in the market. There's no requirement that they continue creating SRDs compatible with the OGL, so if they see it as beneficial not to do so, more power to them. The problem is that they're...

I'm in, but in order to accurately capture the spirit of WotC ranger class design, I propose we set up several tables of possible class features, then determine which ones make the cut through chat input in the vein of Twitch Plays Pokemon.

You know what I love about Rifts? I can't remember anything about South America other than vaguely that there were vampire gods or something, but now that you've said it, I 100% believe that there were psychic cats running around, and I find the idea of them being anthropomorphic cats and just...

I might do the same with B/X and AD&D. A little meat for the OSR crowd, yeah? Still standing on 1.0a as my break off point personally though.

Yup. Ultimately, All of WotC's arguments boil down to them needing to abandon promises made to the community both in legal contract and plainly worded intention because the existence of that promise is inconvenient to their current desires and plans. And that's if you assume they're arguing in...

1.0a is the divide. It stays, and people/publishers can create content using it for the existing SRDs. That's the only thing I'm asking, and it's the only thing I'll accept. They can do whatever they want with their new content, but reneging on the deal WotC made with the community and the...