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Yeah, that was kinda my point...

Charming the chamberlain might not get the PCs access to the king right away, but the chamberlain is friendly towards the caster, so why can't he help them some other way? for example go and present the PC's case to the king and ask him to make an exception? Or maybe give them access to the...

And what does that have to do with rules?

Neutral and Evil Wizards exist. BTW. Brilliant argument. "It's immoral and wrong". Lol. But you forgot to add "... in my games". I know, that goes without saying, but you sound like it's some kind of universal truth. It isn't.

Rule 0 is kinda like Optimization. Used by all, misunderstood by many and abused by some. Sure they're legitimate. I don't think anyone is saying that, quite the opposite actually. But intended? Nah.

They are if they're used as arguments against something I didn't say. That's the definition of a strawman, I believe.

Some time ago I learned to not argue against strawmen, sorry.

It's called Brutal Throw and it's in Complete Adventurer.

When I sit down to play D&D I want to play a game, as in Role-playing Game, not "Mother May I" with the DM.

Actually, PCs become superheroes past 6th level. Earlier with heavy optimization.

*peeks in* Smells of railroading. *quickly hides again*

I'll just post a few links to threads where the whole thing was discussed and explained exhaustively. I know I said that I'm too lazy. And I am, but if I'm arguing a point I should at least do this much. http://community.wizards.com/forum/previous-editions-general/threads/1383201...

"Different" doesn't exclude "balanced". Yes, it's fair to assume that. But we know for a fact that that assumption is wrong in this case. Sorry, I'm too lazy to go and find you all the discussions that went on over the years. You don't have to believe me, but it's out there. Like the...

You very clearly said that I'm doing it wrong. Or maybe it is the air, but you're either immune, very resilient against diseases or took an appropriate vaccine? Please, I think you're smarter than that, so no strawmen, okay? So you're saying there is a problem? I'm confused. In one moment...

Ah, I see. You're not aware of the Tier System or the internet. That explains things. Which still is fluff, not rules. Your opposition to the idea of fixing the balance says otherwise. Yet you're so adamant that there is no flaw to fix. Um... fixing a game's flaw(s) makes it worse? What...

Then he should know that I'm not making assertions. There's more than enough proof on the internet. Years of theoretical and practical analysis consolidated by thousand of gamers around the world disagree with you. And existence of 4ed implies that WotC kinda does too. Which WotC apparently...

These analogies aren't very good. D&D is a cooperative game, football/baseball is competitive. Sure they do. But when you need system mastery to fix the game's flaws, then something is not right. Have you lived under a rock with no internet for the past few years? Lol at the...

My point was, even if my games are perfectly balanced, that doesn't mean there's nothing wrong with the system I'm using. In 3.X/PF classes are not balanced. Requiring the DM to be not inept for the game to work properly is a failure of the game design.

So you had no real point. Gotcha.

http://www.enworld.org/forum/showthread.php?342467-Fighters-vs-Spellcasters-(a-case-for-fighters-)&p=6190664&viewfull=1#post6190664