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Necromancers and Assassins could both be Lawful Good.

How does that have anything to do with MMOs? Look at the names of the characters Gygax and his crew used, and you will find plenty of the kind of thing you're talking about. You should call it the "D&D syndrome."

Doctor Doom turned an exgirlfriend into a new suit of human skin leather armor. Man's got problems.

Who gets Limbo time for surly xenophobic Scottish Dwarf fighters and shiftless halfling rogues who steal from the party?

I agree with the first paragraph and couldn't disagree more with the last sentence.

I say this with all due respect to the people playing in their own homebrew worlds for decades. Maybe try something new some time. Or just add in some new stuff to your world. It's fun!

This thread has become an excellent demonstration of the weird and murky nature of the alignment system, and the endless arguments and counterarguments it has caused for 40 years.

Unsolicited advice- label or number your orcs in your notes and on the minis. I use a wee bit of sticky tack and some reusable numbered chits. And I tend to go Orc A, Orc B, Orc C instead of numbers because of the amount of numbers already spoken at the table during combat.

Honest question, how is the clearer and simpler 4e version of alignment less good for roleplaying?

Miniatures, especially in D&D which always deals in precise distances. Even use them in Edge if the Empire, which is designed to be abstract TotM. It's just easier/more fun.

That is just impenetrable.

Why don't we just have a place on our character sheets to write... Varging the Dwarf - never steals - loves beer - upholds dwarven laws - fights Evil - tempted by gems - loves his Mom Oh wait, we do have space to write that. So much more useful and clear than Lawful Good.

Look at the conversation I was having. It was about, among other things, whether or not Lawful and Chaotic were even sensible words to use in regards to the alignment they're trying to describe. My point being they really aren't.

The dictionary definitions for the words Lawful and Chaotic?

Chaotic means "disorder and confusion." I doubt many Chaotic Good characters are either of those things. Chaotic and Lawful are poor word choices based on an incredibly abstract philisophical idea of universal creation vs entropy from Moorcock books Gygax liked. That started goofy in the game...

The problem being that Lawful means "sanctioned by the law." And a Chaotic Good hero is also probably following his own code of ethics and honor. Which is why it's all just nonsense.

But maybe the planet is Chaotic just pretending to be Lawful to lull us into a false sense of security!

And that is how they are often flavored. But then you get to some of the specific demons and demon lords and it really falls apart.

It's all pretty much gibberish to me. Not your post, D&D alignments.

I think this is a great idea. I wish it was clearly spelled out in the rules.