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Seriously? To which you said: The complaint, for the record, was: So, yes - I'm all for the possibility that they're expressing a sincere statement of preference in a bad way (and that bad way should be done away with, because it's insulting and unhelpful to the conversation). However...

Who was saying, "No, it's totally okay when someone says [anti-4E], because they don't mean it, right?" When, you know, that's patently false in a bunch of cases. Or, as Obryn said: Some people, even those just a couple posts above, have actually stated that they actually believe that 4E...

Given the response to my post, and the fact that you were supporting someone who was saying that the "4E is not D&D / is not an RPG / is just a tactical minis game" argument is perfectly fine, I don't think your point was as misunderstood as you think it was. Or, we all misunderstood it in...

Then, you know ... Don't go around starting them, maybe, by claiming that 4E isn't a roleplaying game? Because that attitude still needs to go the way of the dodo. One True Wayism has no freakin' place here. Yes, and those people are being insulting jerks when they start posting about it...

Yeah, that always kinda weirded me out.

I'm pretty sure he had Athena's help there, for what little it matters. :D

Gosh, that show is terrible. :D And no, it's not a trap card, it's just a question. Okay. So what does the example of Diomedes wounding* Aphrodite tell us? * Non-fatally, on the arm, a particularly pacifistic goddess.

I'm not. That's your own bias talking. I'm not. I'm asking a question. That's why there's a question mark there. Personally, I'd love it if Fighters could play like the top-line Greek warriors; I'm attempting to suss out whether or not BT feels the same way.

Ahah. So, you think Fighters should play like the heroes in Greek tragedies and epics?

You're right - attacking and killing an idea is far more gonzo than just tossing a lot of rocks around.

So, what I'm hearing is ... D&D Next is not videogamey? :D

Really? "Yeah, I walked up to the meta-physical personification of the wickedness of the fallen elves, of hatred, jealousy, and envy made incarnate, passing through her realm in all its twisted, chaotic stasis, and I cut her head of with a sword." The mind boggles, because that is some pretty...

I think, if they go through with the "best armor in each category only" plans, that'd put the rules in a slightly odd place for D&D. After all, in D&D, we expect that someone can take a historically suboptimal weapon choice (e.g., daggers-only) and make it relatively viable over the course of...

This is absolutely, absolutely well-said. (Can't XP you.) I'd also add that they should not try to please "Nothing from Edition X fans," as well. Or, rather, that I hope they do not work to please them. The obvious sub-group is the "Nothing from 4th Ed" group, but they aren't the only ones.

Here's where you demonstrate that you just do not understand the argument. You have failed to understand for, as near as I can tell, years now, so I don't hope that a lightbulb will suddenly go on with my post, but here goes, once again, the triumph of hope over experience: I understand that...

Might I humbly suggest, then, that they say this*, instead of the old saw about 4E (usually, and 3E, less so) being a tactical miniatures game and not a roleplaying game? The first is a statement of position. The second is an insult. And, yes, needs to die in a fire. * IF, in fact, it's the...

This line of thinking needs to die. In a fire. And then be resurrected. So it can be burned again. Then those ashes need to be dissolved in acid. Which is launched into the sun. It is an ignorant, dismissive, rude argument.

This matches my feelings, and I can't XP you for it.

This is almost the worst game idea I've ever heard.

... and that those people were jerks.