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Oh definately. I do not want to go back to edition war. Thats not the point. 3rd brought me back too, after teh burn out of 2nd. The 3rd party proucts kept me around. We've been playing Ptolus for actually 2 years now and no end in sight... But keep in mind, while no there are no numbers to...

I'm starting to see a pattern....granted take it with salt, but it seems like 4e fans are more likely to want the official items, where as those that stayed behind are much more likely to buy and use the 3rd party products....

I've seen a couple oftheir titles at Barnes and Noble. Creatures revisited and the world book.

No not even close to 50/50....but one could say its significant enough to take note of. Its not something I would dismiss and ignore. Its certainly not like the shift from 2nd to 3rd, where as most jumped folward.

Agreed. There were many 3PP that kept me in the D&D fold rather than going elsewher in the gaming world. I know I cant be alone there.

While I most certainly dont think its a 50-50 split, or even a 60-40 split, I highly doubt also its barely 5% either..... Perhaps fragmented is a better word.

Were you not awake during the 4e hype days from Wotc? Everything old was bad and 4e was the new hotness to make everythinhg better. Thats the impression WOtc left one with with 4e's hype.... Further, you say its doom and gloom. Prove me wrong. SHOW ME where you think Wotc's actions to date...

You did. But unfortunately, it WAS too late, and a few people were thinking so. But I want to address one point in your last post: To be honest? Its too late. WAY too late. No one is goingto forget the GSL fiasco, or the trashing of everything old school. Yanking of PDF's with no...

Maybe, but there are more things likely to get cut back then the book, which gives you the most bang for your buck instead of say....a movie or eating out. Which means, ultimately, Necro was irrelevant to the general market for what, a year before 4e?

never mind.

While supporting pathfinder is great, hell its the path I choose, it doesnt really help the 4e fans that waited patiently for them. That doesnt help them. Things were pretty tight back in 2001/2002 around. Hobbies tend to be inelastic(there's a discussion over in GW lands about that) as the...

One could argue that might have been more than dropping the ball, considering how the first GSL looked, and more on how it was handled. But thats just speculation. Wotc doesnt anymore from me, but I hope you enjoy the edition your using. But I can say I'm exactly sad. I'll miss some...

I have to admit, I'm chuckling to myself right now. 4E's BIGGEST cheerleader isnt/cant do proucts for it, because WOTC screwed around to much getting the GSL out and properly done? The irony is astounding, especially in light of some of Orcus's words in the GSL forum, once the GSL was...

Yeah this. I let my dungeon and dragon lapse, digned back up for couple months of pathfinder subscription to go. Still subscribing because the world and adventures are intessting, and easy to mine for other things even if I never run them directly. Picked up other subscriptions, compainion...

No, apparantly you DONT get it. Wiz was asked, by a few few people, for links to his hard core planescape mafia type. He blew them off. As are you. Are there folks that dont like what 4e cosmology? Sure. Are there folks here that loved planescape? Sure. Hell are there folks that love or hate...

Really? Any chance you or wizbang are actually going to provide links or proof, or is it just going to be this all the time?

Really? I'm pretty sure some of the armed camps of the 4e crowd or 3.x crowd with the edition wars/debate give them a strong run for their money, at least as I've seen around here the last year and a half.

You should also add the GSL debacle which really didnt help things at all. Even with the new revised version.

Quick question: I can add the regular edition to the cart, but the wicked edition doesnt have a cart on paypal, just goes to log in....is the wicked edition ready or just a glitch?

Because girls and boys are different? And perhaps arent looking for the same thing in a game? Becuase its obvious in the toy industry boys and girls dont always want the same thing....otherwise all toys would be the same...instead of transformers and GI Joe vs My little pony and disney...