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(very quickly and sloppily) FIXED.

Speaking of which, can Noir be a power source in 4E Modern? I want to draw my powers from gritty monologues.

Well how large is this battle supposed to be? You seem to want the Goblins and Dwarves to be evenly matched, which eliminates my first and last examples, but I don't see how the 'leader' and 'hidden elite' examples fail to mesh with what little information was provided. I assume you have more to...

Late, late, late, late response, without having the several pages after it that probably all contained further argument on the subject. But hey, I felt a need to reply to this before I slink off to bed. Basically, the problem you mention isn't so much exist as a gamist situation. The ability to...

Why do they all have to be minions or all have to be regular soldiers? You probably already know this, but the point of 4E encounter design is to include more monsters per encounter, and make those monsters of varying types, so why shoehorn all of them into one role or the other? There are...

I don't think you're entirely correct... we know for a fact that the monsters wont be used as is when their level is tripled and they're made into a minion. The math just wouldn't work, nor would they function the way a minion is supposed to. Their attack bonus would need to rise, as well as...

Aw, my evil play is ruined! And I would've gotten away with it if it weren't for you darn kids, and your dog too!

Forget the initial post. Once this thread became about grammar and unique word use, it became the best thread of this entire board. :D

Yeah, for the short term, Divine Challenge from a ranged Paladin does work pretty well. But the build itself can't function as a Striker, it'll just occasionally get that extra damage boost that is still very 'Defender-ish' in nature.

It really depends on how the DM sets things up too. Any class should work, as long as the pairings are equal. For instance, a Controller probably shouldn't be going up against Soldiers or Brutes too often unless he's got some sort of advantage, but minions and enemy controllers could be that...

I so want to see a badly injured, dominated Warlock Eyebite the party Cleric so he can't be found and healed before getting dropped next turn. XD

Not to mention that everyone's math is wrong simply by virtue of that fact that they assume they'll be doing Divine Challenge damage every turn. It's far more likely that Divine Challenge will simply do the Defender's job of drawing in enemies, as it's been pointed out that there are many ways...

I really don't see what the confusion over Divine Challenge is all about. The ranged Paladin is a viable build(albeit one that is crippled without multiclassing), but falls short for several reasons. I'll repost from the 'Is the Paladin a Striker?' thread. As for the Warlock's Eyebite, I can't...

Again, that was assuming that, somehow, the PC would always be out of harm's way and damaging the foes with his Divine Challenge. Which is a huge assumption, as I've already proven that it'll never work. Of course, everyone seems perfectly happy to ignore my valid arguments against the build in...

All these comments seem to assume several things I doubt any competent DM(or even most incompetent ones...) will let happen. :1: Everything said assumes there is only one monster ever attacking anyone. :2: It assumes that said monster has no ranged or special movement abilities. Basically...

Exactly what he said. I'll likely only use the Skill Challenge chapter as a guideline and houserule them into working as I imagined them... because if this except is indicative of the whole chapter, which I assume it is if they decided to use this as the preview, then their idea of Skill...

Stirges are definitely near the top of my list... I have very fond memories of when my DM allowed me to summon any monster from the Monster Manuals with appropriate templates applied when using Summon Monster. Fiendish Stirges were absolutely awesome, but since we had a min/max DM(and therefore...

Did anyone else see the Swordwing's description and immediately think of him as comic relief? The second I heard he hoarded things, I immediately though of an otaku/nerd holed up in his parent's basement, surrounded by figurines of female characters from a variety of anime... or as someone else...

Well a higher level character would ordinarily be my first choice, but we don't have the rules for it yet. This is just a pre-release demo, after all. As for NPCs, they're another likely option, although I really dislike the idea of giving the PC control over them. My 'solo rules' were more just...

Well, I saw it brought up in another thread, and I started thinking about it. Sometimes, you have that one person who you can't get to come to a bigger game, or just wont fit in with your regular group, and you want to throw them a 4E demo to inspire interest in the game. I thought of filling...