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  1. Warpiglet

    Arguments and assumptions against multi classing

    Sounds like that would ruin your fun and therefore you would not allow it. I would not like to play that. I don't "like it" but if a player found a way to make it fun for the table I would allow it. In my campaign world there is a lot i don't know about...there are species I did not write...
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    Arguments and assumptions against multi classing

    The funny thing in this thread is that in truth, even people with opposing viewpoints are not diametrically opposed. I would even venture a guess that most participants on either side of the debate could comfortably play at the same table. Most. Its like politics in America. We are totally...
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    Arguments and assumptions against multi classing

    I am OLD school. Well, 1st edition anyway. These things matter to me too. The difference for me is that changing the fluff of a class for one character does not automatically mean all laws of reality or all shared assumptions about the game are thrown out. In fact, a player could never have...
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    Arguments and assumptions against multi classing

    I guess I skip past this consideration since I don't play with ass-hats. But this is true. We played with one player who enjoyed PC vs. PC conflict. We don't anymore. Everything I am arguing comes with the assumption we play well together are concerned about eachother's fun and simply want...
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    Arguments and assumptions against multi classing

    See this is EXACTLY the reasoning I am talking about. It will not hurt the game, it gives no particular mechanical advantage and hurts no one. Why would we not help a player have more fun? Will other barbarians be "ripped off?" I could see this character making friends with outlander sorts...
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    Arguments and assumptions against multi classing

    OK then. It is by degree. If it is somewhat reasonable, and the player likes it, I am going to say yes, too. People vary of course in what they think is reasonable. I think it is reasonable to occasionally kill a sacred cow for the fun of a player and am not worried that it will have too...
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    Arguments and assumptions against multi classing

    Some classes are more powerful than warlocks. Other class is more powerful than X. The world breaks because some people make "suboptimal" chump choices. Again, not buying world collapse over some people (a single PC?) getting a better deal. At all. If you say this exception rips the...
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    Arguments and assumptions against multi classing

    Clearly this is absurd and a false comparison. And dollar to doughnuts, you probably are aware of this. I use training for power more often to get power than some fellows is not a magic carrot by any stretch. If you see it as equivalent I am not sure what to say. Its no longer a reasonable...
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    Arguments and assumptions against multi classing

    I believe the DM has the power to disallow any fluff changes made by a player. But then I question why they would necessarily want to do that. I argue that if it is about the PC, it really cannot alter the world much if the PC is an exception and if the DM desires, the only exception. It is...
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    Arguments and assumptions against multi classing

    OK. I have thought of a very succinct way to express the thought. This is merely an example. What if a particular Warlock essentially gets power from study with the help of a mentor? What if the Warlock still learns and grows in power even if he disobeys his mentor? I am arguing that: 1...
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    A glutton for punsihment (beastmaster character?)

    I really dig the visual and can see that would be fun, power considerations not being an issue.
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    Arguments and assumptions against multi classing

    I think there is a false dichotomy here. The idea PC snowflake creates a blizzard in the world does not necessarily follow. I like the idea of warlocks learning from a teacher and not being "granted" spells per se. Looking through tomes and learning how to bargain with an entity sounds cool...
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    A glutton for punsihment (beastmaster character?)

    Hello Gang, I am that one guy that always swims against the current. I like blade pact warlocks and all of that sort of thing. My next challenge? How can the beastmaster ranger be improved upon using the PHB and official rules only? Interested in feats and character choices that would make...
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    Arguments and assumptions against multi classing

    Actually if we are talking about rules in the game, it is very relevant. Only LG paladins were included in the rules even after UA codified optional rules from Dragon. The eventual outcome was decided in Unearthed Arcana---when paladins became cavaliers and other alignments could become...
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    Arguments and assumptions against multi classing

    In 1e there were only LG paladins...if your alignment actually drifted from LG, you lost all paladin powers.
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    Arguments and assumptions against multi classing

    It is more of a statement about allowing players to create fluff and less about the quality of a person (DM) who chooses to have total control. If I cared and I really don't, I would say labeling a person a disruptive player is more insulting than pointing out someone's creation won't be...
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    Arguments and assumptions against multi classing

    I have a longstanding group of friends who I play with. There has NEVER been tension about collaboration and we all take turns as DM over the decades. Our process is simple. PC backgrounds are written and described something meds modifying fluff. DM looks it over and thinks about how the...
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    Arguments and assumptions against multi classing

    We loved and exclusively played AD&D 1e through the early 2000s! Skipped 2e. That said, many of us in grad school or technical vocations read very well. And we skipped over a TON in 1e. I always would find another nugget not used each time I read the book whether it was armor class vs...
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    X & O For More Fun

    I would have a hard time using this with adults in that if we anticipate these sorts of issues, perhaps they should be dealt with prior to gaming on the part of the person with the issue. If we are all hanging out and watching a film does the "triggered" person get to shut the projector or TV...
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    Arguments and assumptions against multi classing

    Just wow! So many nuggets untouched in this great game! Gygax was A damn genius even if you ignored some Of his rules. Wish I could have been his friend and gaming buddy! I give two sh*ts about celebrity...but him? Always amazed.
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