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Nice. You do run into a snag that your jump distance is limited by your movement presumably?

Just did an encounter in a Frost giant wizard lair. Forbidance prevented teleporting and a rock to mud spell over the entrance was pretty unforgiving. Jumping was key to getting through that, admittedly one ranger with a jump spell. Great way to tell the strong fighters from the dex primadonas.

Yes, exactly that. There are some encounters where trying any kind of intimidation would fail. Others, such as using Strength to make a persuasion check to impress a Klingon female would work better than Charisma. It does take bit of pre-planning. My players tried to intimidate Bishop Hauffren...

And there it is. Even in real life, different people react to different intimidating traits. You even have a blurring of intimidation and Persuasion in there too. Dms should be flexible. Applying different DCS to different traits can be fine too.

Most bouncers are not using charisma to stop people pushing into a venue. The threat of violence is implied by their great strength and reputation.

Level Up deals with this by granting expertise in certain fighter skills as class features.

I have not been paying full attention to all the conversations but skills have been almost entirely divorced from combat, even more so in 5.5. I think they are moving more towards strength saves rather than athletics checks for shoving etc. Dodging is not linked to acrobatics. The mobile feat...

I suppose you could hand wave away qi points as the grim determination of a high school gymnastics team. Dungeomaster called her an acrobat, not monk but then let's be honest, neither the thief, cavalier, or magician actually exhibited any of their respective classes' official class features...

Dammit!

I must have missed that in the playtests!

I think it's interesting that a lot of the mechanics subtly mimic certain tropes without being overt. The thief-acrobat trope is subtly better than non rogue acrobats because they are so much more mobile. That said, if you wanted to build Diana from the cartoon, she would need to be Rogue 2...

Strong for their age perhaps. But I'm not a gymnast and I can beat her in an arm wrestle. 💪

So child gymnasts are strong? They have muscle tone. Trying to draw a hard line here is like trying to draw a real life line between intelligence and wisdom.

Oh yeah, it only really covers situations where your enemy is blocking your path, otherwise, rogues in particular, would find it easier to go around using their bonus action. If your opponent is big enough, you can move through its square for free as well. My PCs have used it occasionally...

Or if you tumble through a space occupied by an enemy, or to improve you AC to avoid being hit by an opportunity attack.

I agree but what you describe is already in the rules as the Tumble manoeuvre, which is an action/bonus action from the DMG, and the Mobile feat. Plus subclass features for the Swashbuckler.

My 10 year old grand-niece is a champion twirler. She is very limber and very agile with great hand-eye co-ordination but I can assure you that she isn't that strong.

The argument that increased accuracy does more damage only really holds up if you reduce the damage die for the missile weapons. A sword can be accurate AND forceful and rip you open while breaking your bones. An arrow just zips right through you, so it's really only the accuracy that does the...

I don't see that as a help. It only leaves balance, which by the same token is half strength and half ear fluid, reaction time and hand-eye co-ordination/accuracy, which are all to do with brain communication i.e. intelligence. What you end up with is fewer abilities and more skills to...

Strength is the base. I think you should be able to use both Athletics and Acrobatics to increase the distance jumped e.g. roll Athletics and add 1inch to the distance jumped for every point rolled. Roll Acrobatics and add 2 inches to the distance for each number rolled. Not both at the same...