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I chose the first creature I thought of, because I used it recently. As I said, it doesn't actually matter where the midpoint it, because better is always better. There is not really any 'good enough'. Ok. I didn't say that 10 wasn't average for the average person. I argued that it wasn't...

I do believe I said something earlier in this thread about the trade-off issues being about scaling and therefore not too bad at level 1.

Look I addressed these points in the post you selectively quoted. All you are doing is repeating yourself. If you ignore key points, I'm just going to consider the argument effectively conceded.

Ok a high Int Fighter is better at being a bad wizard than a low Int Fighter, I'll grant that. Also better at being a History Professor. I don't think anyone has ever denied that it is possible to give up your core competencies of your class to be mediocre at something else, or even passably...

Ok. He's no weaker. Except for his AC and Hitpoints. And his intelligence skills are better by what 10, 15 maybe as much as 20%. Yep. As I said.

One of the things that's a point of division is this: Some people are happy if they can write 16 Int on their character and say "I have a smart Fighter". They want to role-play a smart Fighter so they just distribute the points to reflect a mental image. Some of us are perhaps more jaded and...

Then your Monk is significantly weaker than baseline for very little mechanical gain. You are paying an effectiveness tax for playing that character.

You are confusing theory with reality. 10 is not average except by some theoretical standard where everyone were to roll 3d6 in order (even then it is slightly below average). A 10 ability score is most definitely welcome to sucktown population you. It might be average if we all rolled 3d6 and...

Not really. Savage Worlds has separate chase rules so you wouldn't use it for a chase, but otherwise there doesn't seem to much difference in scope. The book does say "tense dangerous situations with a time limit" but of course that's all relative. I'm not really sure what previous editions...

It's worth having a look at Savage Worlds' Dramatic Tasks, if you haven't already. They're basically an evolution of the skill challenge rules, but I found that adding in degrees of success, making the choice to aid other characters much meaningful and having a system for adding complications...

Why is the difference between 8 and 10 such a massive gulf? At 8 you suck. At 10 you suck. Why does suckling slightly more make such a big difference? If I go to 12 can I play my character as a genius? And actually it's not that forgiving. If you just played at level 1 it would be very...

I think that's part of the disconnect in this thread. There's those who take all of that stuff very seriously and think it's not good enough and needs to be changed. And then there's those of us who are puzzled why anyone takes any of that stuff as more then a vague suggestion of what you...

I think it's Warhammer where halflings tend to run inns and the like and you can buy a pie which always tastes suspiciously just a little to good. Or maybe it's just the games I played in.

Yes. It can be. But that's why I tend to interpret Intellgence as formal education. Because Intelligence is just not something a Barbarian or a Paladin or a Monk or Ranger can afford. This is not the player's choice (other than to play that class), it is the system's choice to give...

What you mean?. Bruk is fun character. Bruk have lots of personality. Bruk way of talking very dist..,very disctin.., very special. Is real roleplaying! Bruk life of party. Bruk make people laugh. People always laughing around Bruk. Except when Bruk chop head with Greatsword. Seriously...

Dwarves are deep and multi-dimensional. They have axes, beer, beards and gold But I think I get it now. This argument is not really about D&D the game, it's about D&D the fandom and canon. No wonder I wasn't getting it.

Hmmm...well I guess Paladin's don't have to be Lawful Good any more. Oath of Conquest maybe.

"the fact that the playtesters weren't willing to let go of fixed skills kind of occludes that aspect of the design."

No it's part of the skills variant rules in the players handbook. It my opinion it sits a bit oddly with the intended function of the rules - in which what abilitiy scores govern is supposed to be fixed and it's proficiencies that are supposed to be flexible and somewhat nebulous. In other...

No. What a weird interpretation!