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Well certainly the toolbox has to have the right tools for the game you want to play, and not so many of them that you're overwhelmed. To extend the metaphor a bit, a box of plumbing tools won't help me much if I'm looking to fix my car, and a massive 5-foot rolling toolbox is probably way more...

Well, military is at least one possible approach (clean up the remnants of the Old Empire), but I would also imagine a greater role for Jedi in the New Republic. Even early on you've got folks like Kyle Katarn and Corran Horn in addition to Luke ( and Mara Jade and an in-training Leia). But...

Well, the Star Wars Universe is much bigger than those six movies, though I see your point structurally. My big beef though is this: Suppose I don't want to play Episode IV? Suppose I want to play a game set in the New Republic? Or a Jedi Academy game? I would like to be able to play those out...

Hm. I'm not sure. What if at the end of the game you say: "Well, I won, because I took your King," while the alien says, "No, I won, because I clearly made more triangles than you. I don't even know why you messed with those little guys in the front rank, do you know how hard it is to make a...

Well, I suspect that any discussion of what it might mean to say he's gone to crazy town would violate the Eric's Grandma rule (PM me if you'd like), but this article is very fine.

Nagel makes that point as well, about not really being able to inhabit another human beings subjective consciousness. It's that capacity to impute the possibility of consciousness to another being that allows us to imagine what it's like to be that kind of creature, and as relates to this...

This last exchange reminds me of Thomas Nagel's philosophical essay "What Is It Like to Be a Bat?" Here's an excerpt:

I just wish Alternity were still in print. Fortunately I have pretty much the whole run, but very few people to play with.

Well, I think what this entire thread has convinced me of is that I already have a Star Wars game that suits my needs quite well. While the material I've seen for Edge of the Empire is aesthetically pleasing, and apparently the mechanic is interesting and innovative, given the way FFG has...

Agreed. There's a lot of canon that's been set in place since WEG's version of it, much of which takes the perspective that there are still a few Jedi scattered throughout the Galaxy. To be driven *to the point of extinction* is not quite the same as being extinct, and there are other Jedi in...

I defy you to point to anything that I've said that suggests anything other than that people who do not want to play with Jedi in their game should not be required to do so, and that those who want the option to have Jedi should have the option to do so. I'll say again: You've utterly...

I remain mystified at TrippyHippy's continual and blatant hostility and misrepresentation of the perspectives of others on this list, to the point where I really think it would be fair to say that he's lying about the opinions being offered by others. Nobody, certainly not me, and certainly...

I wonder if part of the issue is that people who are upset at hearing "no Jedi" think that means "My character can't a) use the force and b) weild a lightsaber," while the people who are happy to hear "no Jedi" think that means "That other guy's character a) can't wipe out 100 clone troopers in...

Well said, Crothian, which of course means that Trippy Happy will ignore it completely and make up a completely different argument to respond to.

Yes, your scorn is evident, and I can only say: I'm sorry you've had bad experience playing with people who like to play Jedi. I'm sad for you that you haven't had better experiences with it, and I think you should be free to play a game in which that is not an option. I on the other hand have...

Yes, and the whole point of this thread is the FFG decided to make a Star Wars game that only catered to one of our sets of preference about what is iconically Star Wars, and in that regard they made a game that, from my perspective, fails on an important front. I can't help but notice that...

Oh please: "I would like to play the character that is iconic is exemplary of what the entire setting is about" is not "I am a munchkin." This is an easy equation: People who don't want to have jedi should not be forced to have jedi, and people who want to have jedi should have the option to do...

See this wasn't my experience as a player. As I said, I like playing Jedi as I like playing Wizards, because I dig the magical/mystical aspect of it, or in this case, the warrior-monk ethos. But in my group we had soldiers and fringers too. I guess the problem is that there are a lot of people...

See, this sentiment has been stated enough in this thread to make me think that some people really have a different understanding of Wizards' run as the licencee than I do. WotC's biggest problem from my perspective, came from trying to get the game out to be in synch with the new movies and...

Yes, I know. I'm sorry that wasn't clear.