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    Pathfinder 2E Never give up on PF2

    "Doubled down?"
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    Pathfinder 2E I think I am giving up on PF2ER

    I would have loved if the incapactiation trait in PF2E only worked until the target was bloodied.
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    Pathfinder 2E Never give up on PF2

    In PF2E, you can do the first 3 steps. If you're a class that uses a shield, you probably get a free reaction to raise shield at some point, but yeah, ok, this is a scenario where 5e is more flexible. It's not prescriptive for the rest of the game, I'd think, but point to you.
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    Pathfinder 2E Never give up on PF2

    How? In 5e, you get 3 actions, but they are slotted (Standard, and Bonus, if you have one), and you also get to move your speed. In 4e, you get 3 actions, and they are also slotted (Standard, Move, Quick), and you can trade down. 13thAge is similar to 4e. PF2E you also get 3 actions, but they...
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    Pathfinder 2E Never give up on PF2

    You typically play games with no restrictions on actions? Interesting.
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    Pathfinder 2E I think I am giving up on PF2ER

    I can see combat demanding a certain amount of mental focus, for sure. But PF2E also has Exploration and Downtime modes of play...between the 3, there's plenty of roleplay. Not Shakespeare-on-a-stage levels, but "playing one's character in the world"? Sure.
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    Pathfinder 2E I think I am giving up on PF2ER

    To be fair, we play on Foundry, which is leagues ahead of any other VTT I have tried (Maptool, Roll20).
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    Pathfinder 2E I think I am giving up on PF2ER

    A lot of the ones you mention will receive updates in PC2. "Stink" is not a word I'd use to describe them, however...not after seeing our barbarian in the Frozen Flame AP. In the Blood Lords game I'm playing in, I am playing an Investigator, popularly seen as the weakest class by a fair...
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    Pathfinder 2E I think I am giving up on PF2ER

    People don't roleplay during combat?
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    Pathfinder 2E I think I am giving up on PF2ER

    No disagreeing about that here. I don't see how that gets in the way of roleplaying. At all. It's a matter of taste, but I found combat in 5e way more tedious...always felt like there's more at stake in PF2E.
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    Pathfinder 2E I think I am giving up on PF2ER

    You are definitely not "running it wrong." Our group played AV and had great roleplaying as well, especially when one considers downtime activities. I don't know what "you need to follow a strict rhythm of crescendo and climax (combat-wise) that can and will get in the way of role-playing." is...
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    Looking for D&D-like alternatives to D&D 5e

    I was in a PF2E group where everyone knew their character and it managed to hit all 4; not 100% of the time, but close enough.
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    D&D 5E (2014) Advanced D&D or "what to minimally fix in 5E?"

    I would say the bolded part is true. Many think this is a boon, not a bane. I happen to agree with you, but tastes vary. If I was running a game for my nephew, I wouldn't think the mechanic is borked.
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    Pathfinder 2E I think I am giving up on PF2ER

    13th Age might be worth the work, then.
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    Pathfinder 2E I think I am giving up on PF2ER

    Great approach. I am in 2 different PF2E games and we play on Foundry on both and...wow. PF2E runs really smoothly on Foundry. E.g. I am running an Investigator in the Blood Lords AP. I have Undead Slayer as a feat. Foundry always remembers to add the damage from the feat, but additionally...
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    Pathfinder 2E I think I am giving up on PF2ER

    Maybe? It didn't seem like that much work to my group after we tired of 5e. It's -definitely- looser in play and narrative.
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    Pathfinder 2E I think I am giving up on PF2ER

    Forgive me if this has already been asked, but would 13th Age split the difference? (PF2E and 13th Age are my two F20 games now, so they're the ones I can feel confident recommending).
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