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Edit didnt see your post above i suggested 2 levels of sorc. but yeah battls dont last that long... and 2mins is just enough to run out on you in your next battle :(

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what level do you plan on progressing too?

Yeah I just went to my hard back books and was messing around with a full monk specialized in trip then realized that being large gives you the bonus on trip... yeah the dragon disciple might be the ticket for a trip machince (at least 3-5 mins. out of the day :))

Yeah that is true the range thing is important (forgot about that weapon increases thing).... I still dont think the dip is worth it (but if you go with dragon disciple then I guess you have to go with sorcerer)...

Do you do a point buy or do you roll die for abilites (if you roll do you do the standard 4d6 minus lowest one of them?). I ask because you could get high rolls if you do then the dwarfs traits may be better in the long run (although 20ft spd is sucky).

Yeah armor spells dont stack with actual armor and actual armor is better. Also, I would rather +2 to attack then have my spiked cahin do 2d6 (or 1d10 whatever it is) and lose -1 to attack since when your bigger you lose attack and ac... level 1 spells lose their efficientcy quick.. enlarge...

yeah I forgot about light sensitivity (i usually run them as NPC's in dark caves and all of my PC's have darkvision. so they rarely prepare daylight.

Is it considered core to take classes (ones with no LA) out of the moster manual and use them? Such as the Orc (full blooded). They have +4 str. -2wis, cha, and Int , darkvision. no LA.... If you wanted high str. this may be the way to go... the -2 to wis is sorta sucky but +4 to str. is...

I must that that the funny thing is that I have been arguing the worth of melee classes with Dandu however i LOVE spellcasters and almost every time play a wizard:)

I agree with thisthis... Yeah non-core has some VERY GOOD options for fighters (and since they dont have a limit in the amount of things to do (spells to cast) they can be useful throughout the day every day... Maybe the perspective that i am coming from on this thread is looking at the melee...

Yeah I am NOT disagreeing with you. I think that you hit my main point on the button. A DM would have to tailor make encounters for a group of wizards (and for a group of fighters, and for any group for that matter); if they have a chance to survive past lower levels. However I REALLY do...

I know this isnt how it is in a real game but if EVERY combatant took 10 on their rolls then the fighter would win and the spellcaster would lose... this is so becasue the dragon couod barely even affect teh fighters (10+4=14 which the dragons breath DC is 12 so only 5 damage at the most from...

With a +4 Ref. bonus they win the breath DC (12) 65% of the time also with 2 elven fighter having high Dex and longbows (the other two having slings) and AC 16 (17 with high dex) the dragon may lose to the fighters (especially if it strafed them with bites (+5 to hit, which means they would onyl...

By the way do people ever get games going here (on this legacy thread i mean)?

Yeah I dont think they are doomed... and it is not the perfect model (since there is little variation with magic missile but huge variation [crits. mainaly] with attacks the battle could have gone alot different one crit could knock out a sorc.). But sorcs. can hold their sway (yah for sleep and...

The way I see ity is that : you NEVER TOOK you AOO, instead you moved 5ft. So your limit was never used up for the round. i say that if you took an AOO in that round then if another opponent proivokes an AOO YOU COULD NOT take a 5ft step, since you already used your AOO for that turn and so you...

If we wanted to run the gaunlet with a fighter grouo here is a possible grouo (all same) Level 1 Dwarven Fighters: Dwarven Traits (+4 Ac against orcs, etc) Str 15 Dex. 14 Con 15 Int 10 Wis 12 Cha 6 (elite array used) Saves Fort. +4 Ref +4 Will +1 (+2 Against spells, sp.) Feats: 2 with...

wht about a against a wyrmling white dragon? fight a Drow then two orcs and after a wyrmling (or just the drow then the wyrmling)? We (I) can run the same challenge with a group of fighters (all with 1 potion of cure light wounds or maybe 3 out of 4)...

although magical beast have good reflex saves and full BA and they are a dime a dosen also dragons, which some are CR appropriate for lv 1, have all good saves and excellent attac...