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My argument is those aren't meaningful challenges. That's the difference. In modern play you are giving the power but via resources therefore you're able to deal with the obstacle but it is costly. Oliver when you don't have those resources or are saving them the challenge is difficult...

The point is want them to provide different roles, weaknesses, and strengths within their class fantasies across the 3 pillars of play. Much how the Fighter and Paladin provide different roles in combat (offense/defensive vs defense/support/nova), exploration (athlete vs horse), and social...

To me, they don't Explain how? Where am I wrong?

Not good enough for me. I prefer balance across all pillars of gameplay so I can run any type of game without fudging. From intrigue to war to hack and slash to survival to mystery. I want warlock, wizard, and sorcerer to play different in different pillars so the class choice is meaningful.

Listen closely. A5e is 5e based. Therefore its base is too skewed to balance across pillars equally.

Can't be done with 3PP. That's my point. You'd have to design D&D from scratch to balance across all 3 pillars.

OS play isn't clever. But you are weaker You cannot power through obstacles that are supposed to be challenging without it being risky or costly. Modern play gives you power early. It is designed around the idea that you can just nuke or nova the first 2 challenges away because the last ones...

Ranger, Bard, Fighter Not enough for me. If you are going to care about teams exploration and social, you have to balance it. Balanced in 1 pillar, Balanced in 3 pillars, and Balanced across 3 pillars is 3 different designs. Personally I'd nerf language spells and make Ranger and Warlock...

Player skill is when the majority of the solution is derived from elements not intrinsic of the character's elements nor the standard usage of those elements. Pilot vs plane. The OSR mostly relies on players solving problems or dealing with obstacles via elements outside their characters or...

Not fairly nor balanced. For example, ranger has little social power even in A5E because it's still based on 5e where it does not. So you'd have to rejigger a 6/4/0 class with a 6/1/3 class and a 9/1/0 class. Do you make them all 6/3/1? Do you make all classes have a minimum of 2 in...

They can't because historically, those pillars were unbalanced across classes by a WIDE margin. So they'd have to rejigger them and get the community to jive with it.

I'm not saying that someone's first experience is their preference. I'm saying that someone might be okay with an aspect in Shadowdark or Daggerheart but hate it in D&D. And vice versa love it in D&D but hate it in Shadowdark or Daggerheart. And these opinions don't set in until you pass the...

Shadowdark isn't Official D&D. People tend to allow other games to experiment. But D&D? Only the stuff they instantly like

There was some point where somebody said that they would not create new classes unless the setting required. At that point, you can tell that believed that every single kind of character was one of the 12 core phb classes plus artificer. And that artificer only got in because everyone was so...

I think once the designers of five weeks decided that they weren't going to create new classes unless a setting they wanted to print required a class they abandoned diegetic classes. A sorcerer who gets their power from having a dragon ancestor or being around Dragon magic should have spells in...

Too late. They are now so used to 5e they will become resistant to change. They aren't new fans anymore.

They couldn't try harder. The community both won everything to remain the same and be different at the same time. Some people wanted big change. Some people wanted things to say the same just fixed. And some people want a big change but still see the same thing and fix it. 🤷🏾‍♂️

By default if you didn't roll terrible. Cleric could get similar Defenses as a bad roll Fighter but their offense was trash. Assassin was the option. Same offense. Bad defenses.

A little off topic but I kind of like the Playtest of Channel Primal that the playtest had for Druids and would have loved for Rangers and Barbarian to get it. And Barbarian's would have the option of Spirit Beast, Rage, or Wildshape. And to bring it back on topic, I'd be down to splitting...

1e Fighter was the High Stats class. Basically