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I may be in the minority but I like having danger like that. Sure it starts out rough and hard to get a grasp early on, but so does the Dark Souls video game. Just remind them "this is hard mode" and watch as they become more determined and focused (in my experience anyways). Weak characters...

Yeah, I get why they are not in there, still makes me a sad Panda though lol. I remember playing old school RPGs and wishing we had something better than some paper and pencils to map out combat. I was shocked when I discovered the world that is RPG miniatures lol.

My gaming groups never played with the Math, we played what we wanted. Sure some of the guys liked playing the powerful classes but it didn't take away from anyone elses fun. D&D 3.0, IMO the Paladin class was bad, I still played the hell (hehe) out of that character because it was fun. Our duel...

It doesn't have models, they are sold separately by Wizkids....so thats a bummer.

Thats only if you want your proficiency bonus though :D . A Fighter can still pick a lock.....he just sucks at it.

Im with you on this one, there are already a few inconsistencies between Murder and the Starter set stats, not to mention I'm sure a Players power level has probably changed from the PT to the PHB. Either way I'm thinking of just replacing monsters with MM equivalents, using PHB characters and...

When was it "official" Dwarven women had beards? I dont remember it as far back as 2AD&D, which was the earliest I played.

Also, anyone watch Orange is the New Black and think she looks like Red?

Cant wait to see the Elven artwork... hint hint lol

I would disagree, if you follow a code like that you are pretty Lawful. Even if your code is always break the local laws there really is nothing chaotic, random, arbitrary, or (insert any other synonym for chaotic here). You really are not free, you just created a very loose (and strange lol)...

Chaotic Good isn't anti-establishment, I've said that, sorry if you didnt understand but that was the CG characters goals that was brought up in the earlier example.

I agree that alignments can be discussed until the end of time and no one will ever agree, but I think what sets the Paladins apart is his focus on combating Evil. He is a champion of the common folk for reasons other than liberty, although sometimes it is the same reason in the case of Evil...

The focused abilities of combating evil may be wasted on this character though, because this GOOD character isn't fighting EVIL exclusively, but defending freedom. A Paladin is made for the battle of GOOD vs. EVIL, not GOOD vs. THE MAN. Im not focusing on Chaotic, I'm focusing on the lack of...

Then why have focused Evil fighting powers then? Your primary enemy seems to be the establishment not evil itself, there may be Evil tyrants, but youre not a fan of the Noble Politicians either. If you're Chaotic, your "Code" is just a guideline really, so what sets you apart from any other...

Good job on removing the rest of the post from your quote which goes into detail on why I think this way. You are free to leave the discussion if you have no further thoughts on it though ;)

Now its more of a flavor still fits with the original concept. Sure you can portray the Paladin as a Cleric with some martial feats or Fighter with some cleric feats; Same effect could be done for Sorcerers, Bards, Clerics, Druids, Rangers, Warlocks, Assassins, Barbarians....missing anyone? A...

Who said Pandering or Marketing is a bad thing? Giving people what they want or optional ideas and trying to make money with a business has never been bad things. You seem to have your own jaded opinions of it and projected that on to my response. I did play Vanilla, and the designers goal was...

Also a very fair comparison, could be why I didn't like it personally as I quit the MtG phase of my life long ago.

I was playing Ret before it was cool, so I know your anger :D I wasn't trying to jump on the 4e = WoW meme, but even looking at the abilities for the Paladin class exclusively has a very WoW vibe.

Wow, must have hit a nerve. Did you miss the part where I specifically mentioned supplements and how that could be considered pandering or marketing depending on the person? Really just proved my point with your rant, every edition (except 4e) had LG Paladins in the PHB (which is THE Paladin)...