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You're talking meaningless psychobabble. If you're going to launch ad hominem attacks, at least try to drop the pseudo-intellectualism, eh? And if you're going to correct someone, please try not to sound like a jerk. There's a polite way to tell someone they may not be using the correct terms...

We all succumb to halo effects, self-deception in order to maintain personal investments and our egos, and all manner of delusion that is part of the human condition. Insisting that "you're more deluded than we are" is a cute attempt to counterattack, straight from the book of debating dirty...

Or you're selfish (wanting the current version of D&D from here on in your way or the highway), and the designers are jerks (for their hubris during the design of 4E). It's all based on your point of view, but I don't like using such labels. But if you continue to call people selfish jerks...

I think you're engaging in sophistry here. Without the D&D brand behind it, odds are excellent that WOTC's fantasy heartbreaker would have sunk with little trace, becoming another also-ran RPG. The railing against 4E is part due that some of us think they're being poor caretakers of D&D and...

No, clearly WOTC created the problem - there was no need for such a dramatic departure from what D&D was. You're just another 4E fan declaring war on the other guys, and that's a huge irony for you, given that you're pretending that you and your side are paragons of constructiveness and...

So to dislike 4E is irrational and childish. And 4E fans are attempting to maintain civility and be constructive. I see. Such a long post for an opinion more biased than a broken set of scales.

Exactly. Personally, I blame the 4E designers for the edition wars, not the fans. According to rumor they seem to have been expecting a schism due to the abandonment of key expectations people had for D&D, and they got one. I mean, changes from 2E to 3E were enough change IMO, but 3E to 4E...

Oh please. You're reeeeeaaaaaaaalllly stretching here. I think that speaks for itself.

Nuh uh, attacking the old stuff to distract from the problem with the new stuff will not work. HP = abstract name. HS = distractingly and misleadingly specific name which doesn't convey intention or "game reality", and challenges suspension of disbelief. In other words, the specific yet...

And you've all missed the point too. The problem is not with the term "hit points" (which is abstract). The problem is with the IMO very poorly chosen term "healing surge", which is very specific. What gets healed, by most people's estimation? Wounds. Or maybe, disease, but what gets...

You've missed the point. A wand curing a wound doesn't redefine hit points and challenge suspension of disbelief, whereas 4E's healing surges do, being as conceptually ridiculous as the "she turned me into a newt!....I got better" joke in Holy Grail to some of us. Even the term "healing surge"...

It'll be interesting to see in time if WOTC have thrown themselves out. They can keep the name, and can put it on a packet of crisps if they like, but have already ceded much of the D&D territory. E.g. Unless you chuck out lots of stuff that's assumed to be there by default, 4E is not what I'd...

What a weird thing to say. I found the 4E PHB far more impenetrable than any prior edition. The great wall of powers saw to that, and the confused presentation too (e.g. running into things like [w] before they're defined). There's also less cliches to latch onto in the implied setting, as...

Asmodeus = Evilbad McNastyfell Shark = Bladeteeth Warfish Rabbit = Carrotbane Shadowhopper Banana = Sliptrap Direfruit Toothpick = Woodspike Mouthgouger Sheep = Warfleece Rammer Moose = Scareydeath Bloodantler Llama = Greater Spitblinder Cat = Darkhaunt Razorclaw

No, this is entirely backwards - WOTC walked away from a significant portion of their customers and their expectations of what D&D was, and knew they were doing so. We didn't walk away from them.

That's nice fancy footwork on your part, but you're the one trying to flick the lightswitch and pretend there's no problem here. I SAID IT'S MY OPINION. Yes, my take is negative, and perhaps overstated because of frustration, but I've got a very dim view of what's been done to D&D. That's...

This, a hundred times this. It looks and feels insincere, fake, opportunistic and patronising to me too. We've gone from high gygaxian which trusted you and treated you as a smart peer and bolstered your vocabulary in 1E AD&D to cheesey and purple prosed catchphrases ruining immersion and...

I agree, and think it has left a void in the RPG landscape that something else needs to fill. For me, 4E has damaged the D&D brand so much that it has removed D&D's current edition status as the default "go to" system, and has brought many negative associations with the D&D name that just...

Don't know about the Rouse thing. It was an actual question, not a rhetorical question. I didn't pay much attention to the topic at the time because it didn't interest me except in an "excitement for when the new edition was going to arrive" sense, IIRC. Was more interested in speculating on...

Okay, you've got me there, but the rumour I was responding to wasn't presented that way. I'll be checking the 5E design credits at least, then. I admit to panicking as hope I had for the next edition snuffed out when I saw that statement. Were the denials of work on 4e accurate in retrospect...