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Alright. Take out the building up of false expectations and the sneering; is it okay then? Like Mark I can't say I've encountered your 99 percenters much.

That's a mighty weak straw man you've set up there. I've not said that you'd make your world like Ravenloft by including lycanthrope PCs either. You're shadowboxing with this line of argument. If you kitchensinked everything in the 4E core into every world, it would ruin them. Do you...

I don't think the jargon usage of "sandbox" in this sense is related to a software development test or prototyping environment. I've seen it mainly used in the sense it's being used here with regard to open-ended computer games like GTA or Morrowind, especially city environments without a...

To my knowledge, Unearthed Arcana 1E. 1E Fiend Folio had some rules you might use in making a PC dark elf, but mostly UA. These are both based on the Giants/Drow series, though, and maybe a dragon article before that (knowing the source of much of UA).

Okay, that was after I tuned out. I think they should probably have stayed villains, and I think I'll try and remember them that way. It's a bit like Darth Vader being ruined a bit by whiny Anakin. It might have more depth, but sometimes you just want straight up bad guys.

But that's what we're talking about by allowing everything in the core, all the time. It's kitchen sinking every campaign world. Dark Sun with dragonboob PCs. Ravenloft with dragonboob PCs. Etcetera.

Is this in one of the attempted resuscitations of the setting or the work of some obscure prequel book? Saga edition maybe? I don't detect their presence in the War of the Lance, which is pretty much all I tuned in for.

Draconians. Definitely not a PC race, definitely villains, had a good name and fair artwork, and did freaky things when they died (like their bones exploding or turning into pools of acid), hinting at their status as abominations. Also had a compelling backstory (made from corrupting stolen...

Deja vu. I like gully dwarves (yes, I know), and pseudodragons, and have asked for them as PCs in the past, but wouldn't want them in every campaign. I think that's the problem with core dragonboobs (apart from thinking the concept is lame and the artwork ugly). They're not any good as an...

Not "singularly", no. But speed of getting through combat is an important consideration. You simply cannot explore the wilderness if every fight eats up large amounts of time. That makes 3E less than ideal too. On the other hand, 4E scales more easily than most editions. BECMI and...

Nice distinction (although I think the jargon needs refinement). A couple of observations: 1) Tailored encounter design is D&D's core conceit, and it's a good one for playability. But tailoring everything to a Goldilocks "just right" level is bad for verisimilitude inside of a sandbox...

No, because I avoid games purporting to be D&D that can't even summon up a level of verisimilitude equal to Gygax/Mentzer/Zeb. I do appreciate the loss of an entire edition under the D&D name, though.

There's your problem.

Sorry, my fault, this 35 page thread is just a mirage.

I can handwave too. The problem you have is that your game makes so little sense in certain scenarios that your handwaving has to be inconsistent in it's excuses, because it doesn't handle corner cases, nor does it explain mundane superpowers away with magic as a dispensation. There's a point...

Do you have any idea how deeply ironic a statement this is? 4E is anything but humanocentric, with bucketloads of gimmick PC races presented as non-optional. And this entire thread is about how, Houston, we have a problem with 4E being true to anything but the metagame in significant areas...

And here's the ad hominem attacks, right on time. I think that's the bottom of the barrel for you guys, you've tried every trick in the book and just plain run out of ammo. You seem to have given up on trying to make a cohesive counterargument, but that's because you don't have a leg to stand...

I disagree. Video games are generally less abstract than 4E because you can see what's happening on the screen. 4E, you can't even visualise how some of the rules are manifesting. The "yawn, heard it all before" thing is a good way to dismiss an argument you have difficulty refuting, but...

Very cool. The fighter reminds me a bit of Hugh Jackman in Wolverine mode. Trust Paizo to get the art right. :)

And now we don't even have much of that "little attempt". I see you trying to imply something along the lines of "it was always this abstract", but no, it wasn't.