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Oh I see, so it's just a _coincidence_ that this is a carbon copy of the argument you use for edition warring on other threads, right down to the dodgy Poseidon bon mot? Roger that. Nothing to see here. These aren't the droids I'm looking for. Carry on.

That's rich, coming from the guy who started this thread with an essay driven by "why 4E is bettah than old bad editions because I like my magic nerfed."

I also don't think it's a coincidence that Sir Robilar, a mostly solo character (save for unlucky henchmen) is a fighter. Despite Cirno's Monday morning quarterbacking on the uberness of mages, fighters are my "go to" class for solo character games like Neverwinter Nights, because they're best...

I call BS on your new "narrative control" buzzword, Cirno. A railroad stays a railroad, wizard or no. And the "narrative control" is no different to a fighter breaking locked doors or chests with an axe, burning down the tavern or setting up an ambush and leading monsters into it through...

4E's cure for this problem you have with D&D is worse than the disease. The result is just another fantasy heartbreaker, and no amount of ridiculously hyperbolic Poseidon analogies will change that.

Stoneskin is the only one of those worth comparing to magical platemail and tower shield in terms of reliability. IMO you're an armchair general on this topic.

Cirno, I understand you've got this mental picture of an archmage unloading, but as the guy points out above that's highly artificial. The myth of the solo archmage even requires cheaty spells (c.f. Symbul, Elminster) in order to live up to the hype. And however you cut it, they have buggerall...

I'd agree, with the caveat that you raid AD&D 1E and 2E and HackMaster for spells, magic items and monsters. They're compatible, and in the spell department and monster department especially BECM will stall for variety. AD&D got all the love in these respects. I'd also suggest going nowhere...

The spellcaster debates hinge on whether you saw wizards as "a problem that needed fixing." A lot of the changes 4E wrought were answers to problems that not everyone saw as such, or just generated bigger problems in place of the old. The fact that you think defenders of vancian magic are less...

Hackmaster is desperately in need of some good computer utilities in order to make it a bit less overwhelming, IMO. Cranking out some BASIC code for that purpose at the moment. It's the best of AD&D 1E (cantrips, DMG, assassins, monks, edgy spells and monsters, oriental adventures honor and...

Whatever TSR-compatible system you choose, I'd recommend what I'd consider "D&D's greatest hits" compilations: Priest Spell Compendiums 1-3 Wizard Spell Compendiums 1-4 Encyclopedia Magica 1-4 Hacklopedia of Beasts 1-8 & Monster Matrix That, right there is thousands of spells and millions of...

Right, getting the picture here. You're off on some Sun Tzu fantasy tip. I made the mistake of assuming we were talking about a D&D magic-user who casts vancian spells, but it's more of a theoretical ultimate Kung Fu, ninjas wailing on guitars type ideal than anything relatable to um, playing a...

Except to former fans of in-print FR, who map to former fans of in-print D&D quite nicely, given that the same people are behind both projects. And mostly negative Amazon reviews suggest that most people don't like it, just like Pathfinder seems to be eating D&D's cake at the moment, maybe...

I'm sorry, but your argument strikes me as one of these theoretical ones without basis in gameplay, in that summoned monsters are weak, don't expect to do anything offensive if you're invisible, and blur and mirror image are no plate mail. I take it you've never had a high level wizard whose...

Yes. I've sort of come to the conclusion that the only good PC thief or assassin is a multiclass thief or assassin. The theme of sneaking, stealing and surreptitiously stabbing isn't really strong enough to stand on it's own (unless the thief is picking on weaklings). But thinking back, the...

You sure 1d4 hit points per level is enough to be Poseidon? If you actually run a character generator, you really get to see how glass jawed uncheaty wizards are if not stoneskinned to the gills. Oh and with a fighter to protect them. And a cleric to heal them. Wait...your argument for...

Not refuted at all. The results speak for themselves. I could detect metagame thinking in the monster selection of 3e and the no-archetype prestige classes that became common, and as of 4E it's gone berserk and infected not only the core implied setting but, as Celtavian points out, the scope...

It was a refutation of your new "I'll let you in on a little secret" schtick. Maybe you should change that to "I'll let you in on a completely subjective and possibly entirely fallacious opinion of mine" unless you really want to come across like that. And IMO it refuted your "secret" about...

Apparently they're also very happy with what they did with the Forgotten Realms too. So? Most FR fans I've heard from are pretty confident that they wrecked it. Most people tend to like the way things they created are, and have passion for them, because they created them that way because...

No, I like good rules, just not rules that sacrifice every other darn thing of worth in the game for sake of axiomatic metagame consistency (e.g. The kind of thinking that says we need to fill out some game design aesthetics matrix of power sources and controller/defender types). That's the...