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I have to say, when I was reading the Binder class in Tome of Magic, I kept thinking of this setting with it's dead gods and fallen titans.

No love for the Player's Guides?

You weren't alone. Over all it was IMO the worst issue to come out in sevral years. Very little was of use to me.

Hey, you forgot weapon specialization and weapon focus (Ball & Chain) as first level bonus feats. [Edit] Errrr, make that (old ball & chain)

Why would someone ever want that prestige class? ;)

*snicker* Why would he want to control those wimps?

19th level? Go Balor!

Woo Hoo! Reviews are back! Squeaky wheel gets the grease baby. I will now take credit for the return of the reviews, but would much rather have cash. ;)

Jim Ward drove me away from any product his company could ever put out. Now Fast Forward is defunct and I'm happy. :D Sorry for all the people he never paid though.

I'm in the same boat. Although I have been getting Dragon monthly for a long while now, a debacle with Dragon last month at my FLGS and the fact that it's on $3/issue for a subcription has made me into a subscriber. #345 will be the last my game store ever sells me.

Not really. Frankly most of it isn't very good. No, the good stuff goes in Sci-Fi/Fantasy mags.

I'm just gonna have an advanced demonic flumph kill pethetic Yeenoghu off. Long live "The Flumph", Demon Lord of Gnolls and Flumph!

I'm with the majority in this thread. I say the fiction can go. I skip those pages. Heck, even the recent Gord stuff (a character I love) I had to put down after two pages. Give me more bits that I can use for my game.

I picked Arcane Wierdos. But I like jello too.

Ack! Noooooooooooooooo! I get much more out of it now then I ever did back then.

It's also worth it to note Balors are the generals of the armies. Many a coo in our own world have been done by generals. They have hordes of baddies following them. And yes, many of these Lords have conflicts with gods. Graz'zt's son is a demi-god and I don't see Mr. G fearing him. Anyway...

But you are also missing the fact that it is said that gods fear some of these guys. When has it been said that a god fears a Balor? A balor that hasn't be avanced at that. Remember, you are talking about the balor at the low end of the HD range. Good ol' Yeeno doesn't have a HD range.

With these creatures ruling for millennia the circumstances aren't always going to be in a lords favor. Combine that with the fact the there are more Balors than lords and you have a formula that just doesn't work in a CE society. If it was LE like Hell, I might agree with you that stats don't...

Well, we have to admit it seems that way with the amount of problems they have. Heck, we don't even see errata any more.

If the could somehow be some stuff on Dukes of Hell and such, that would be cool. I know it wouldn't be a Demonomicon at that point though.