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Congratulations. I NEVER SAID THAT THERE WAS ANY CORRELATION. That's something you have, for some bizarre reason, added in that I never said. So. Yup. There is no correlation between the turnover of players in the hobby and the number of bad DM's in the hobby. I totally, 100% agree. You...

Again, you're simply presuming bad faith on the part of players that apparently players are incapable of differentiating between a mismatch in playstyles and someone who is actually a bad DM. It is utterly impossible for players to know the difference apparently. Only the godlike knowledge of...

Oh, absolutely. I agree. Again, at no point did I suggest that it was the quality of DM's that had anything to do with that. That's the bizarre spin that people seem intent on putting into my mouth. 🤷

Again, if all people were looking for was clarification, that would be different. But, EVERY SINGLE THING has to be endlessly dissected, chased down mutiple rabbit holes and then flog the expired equine endlessly. Again, seriously? 1 in 5 DM's is bad is a contentious take? Really?

That's not what I said. I said that people leave the hobby at about the same rate as people join the hobby. That's why the gaming population didn't grow for thirty years. Yet, the average age of gamers stayed pretty much the same - late teens, early 20's. So, unless a lot of us have somehow...

Umm, every single source for the past forty years or so? Why do you think that the gaming population stayed more or less static from about 1985 to 2014? If people weren't leaving the hobby as often as people join it, then the hobby population should have been growing. But it didn't. After...

No. What makes conversation very difficult is the endless quibbling and waffling over every single definition out there without any actual attempt to engage in discussion. FFS, is "Bad DM" really that hard to define? Good grief. I notice that you did manage to completely ignore the whole "1...

Think of any amateur hobby. Sports, creative, anything. Do you honestly believe that less than 25% of tennis players are bad? That less than 25% of miniature painters are bad? Heck, if 1 in 4 tips you over, let's say 1 in 5. 80% are middling or good, and 20% are bad. Seems like a pretty...

Why? Lots and lots of players will put up with TONS of bad DM's. The hobby is replete with stories about them. Some put up with it because they just don't know any better. Some put up with it because they want to hang out with their friends. Heck, of the times I've seen player revolts, it...

Sigh. It never occured to me to use the Search Forums feature. I tried using Google. Well, I learned something today. Thanks. :D 👍

Thank you very much. I'd been hunting for that damn thread for years and I could never find it. :D

That wasn't the question I asked of the poll though. It wasn't "I don't like the campaign" but rather, "I consider the DM's I've had to be good/bad". And there is a very strong current of opinion that problems at the table are rarely the DM's fault. That somehow becoming a DM means that you...

Years ago, I polled here, although I can't find the thread now, what people's overall experience as a player was. About 25% rated their DM's very negatively. Which, I imagine means that perhaps your experience is bit more of an outlier than you might realize. I imagine that you're probably...

And that's fair enough. Again, those cities have reasons for being built there. ((Note, the Undermountain dungeon does not predate Waterdeep actually - it came later)) Even if that reason is, "A god declared that here there shall be a city". That's not actually what I'm talking about...

No, and I get that. But, at some point, it does have to pass the plausibility sniff test. I mean, sure, being a deep water port is great. But it's rather pointless when every ship you're going to see in the system doesn't need it. Being a hub of trade is fantastic until you realize that...

That is obviously the idea. But, I think if we could ACTUALLY get something like that into the PHB or into some sort of official book, that might get it over the hump. If players are expected to contribute between sessions, and know that up front, I think it would help a lot. As far as being...

That is so not my sub-agenda. My sub-agenda is to create an interesting story through my characters. I want my characters to suffer. I want my characters to LOSE. And that's the problem with the presumption that players don't want to lose. I want my character to lose all the time. But, in...

No, that's true. By the same token, you don't get raked over the coals EVERY SINGLE TIME for the next several years for not actually doing something. Dragging this stuff up endlessly to "prove" how evil WotC is is hardly the slam dunk some people seem to think it is.

The largest ship in the world at the time, the Mahmudiye, a 2500 ton, 249 foot long warship that carried 1200 sailors was built in 1828. It had a draft of 21 feet. That's it. 21 feet. Now, this is incredibly anachronistic. This is FAR outside the anachronism of D&D. A galleon? According...

Fair enough. Stupid gut. :D But, overall? Looking at the people in this thread and others in the past, of the people who most strongly advocated for top down game administration strongly correlate with people who have very stable groups who have gamed together for a long. Obviously there...