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Why was the cook there? Because it was uncertain whether or not the cook might be there. When there's uncertainty, the DM sets a target DC. Because that's how abstraction works. See, no actual difference. In a simulation system, you need at least some idea of how things work. The system...

Not necessarily. The character might have fallen because magical pixies made him trip. He might have fallen because the rock face crumbled. There might have been a tiny earth elemental that pushed him. We have absolutely no idea. All we know is that he fell. Why he fell, what caused the...

But the actions you take in the game world are not connected in any way to the mechanics of the game. That's the point you keep ignoring. They are not abstractions. They are completely divorced from anything inside the game world. When someone fails a climb check by X amount, they fall...

No. YOu just keep insisting that your misunderstanding of how things work is the only true definition.

This is the part that has always baffled me about the whole "I play D&D as sim" crowd. Why would you insist on playing a system that is so hostile to your stated goals? D&D is not a sim. Like, at all. There's a REASON that sim games exist. It's because they aren't D&D and anyone who is...

If my character is in the desert, unless I'm next to an oasis, if there's quicksand in that desert, I'm calling shenanigans. Quicksand doesn't form in the desert. It can't. :D

To be fair though, in a world where Giant Fire Beetles can provide heatless light for 1-6 days, the idea of a belt lantern gets a lot more plausible. What I don't understand is why we don't see far, FAR more fire beetles being used in settings and adventures. They're beetles, like, really hard...

This kind of thing is going to be absolutely crushing to the hobby. This is going to have ripples for years.

Of course it doesn't. D&D never does because, as we've established, D&D isn't a simulation game. The mechanics are always divorced from the narrative. You could choose to narrate this effect any way that the table finds acceptable and that's groovy. The mechanics couldn't care less. So...

Sorry. I’m doing the same typically and dipping in every several pages. I really have to stop replying to stuff as I read it. Sorry.

Well no. They don’t tell you anything because DnD is in no ways a sim game. And longsword isn’t vex. Vex grants you advantage. Long words grant disadvantage to the opponent’s next attack but I forget what that’s called. But in any case, it’s a non-magical effect that has narrative implications.

You could try all you want but it will always fail.

This is very much a misreading and misunderstanding of how social mechanics work. In exactly the same way that social mechanics cannot override an Npc’s established character you cannot override a pcs character.

Well at least the argument became more clear. This is what I was suggesting all the way along. Which kinda explains my confusion over your opposition.

Well, if nothing else, we seem to be containing our nonsense to a single thread which is nice.

Nothing you’ve quoted here contradicts anything I’ve said. It fully supports my point.

Why would you not just have a quiet word with the DM if the DM is making you do something you absolutely couldn't see your character doing? But, for me, things in your head that haven't come out at the table don't exist. If you have some secret knowledge of your character that you haven't...

Heh. How to say you only play D&D without saying you only play D&D. ((Sorry, that might be more snarky than it's meant. It is meant as a gentle ribbing)) There are tons of systems out there that disagree with you. FATE being an easy example. There are all sorts of mechanics in Fate, the...

Gotta admit, this is a new one to me. I've never had a player even suggest this one. Yeah, no. Lantern on belt is a no-no. It just wouldn't work.

No. That's what YOU are insisting we talk about. No one else is talking about this. I presume that this is something that has been established in the game? The DM is aware that your character will never lie? So why would the DM, knowing this, allow a persuasion check to counter this? We...