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In some places. Kinda. In the PHB it emphasizes the importance and the LLB (#'s) to Coins system (now made weirder by the connection to weight lifting by STR) to try to make sense of things. It then offers movement rates (where encumbrance is supposed to live) that list gear based on rough sizes...

Isn't that everything in Men & Magic .... :)

Sigh. Your "argument" got lost under the personal attacks. I mention G+ as a useful date. The changes go deeper then that. The question is and I think should be "At what point do these changes create different scenes/movements/genres etc?" If everything is OSR, it's a meaningless term. I...

It's in the LBBs at least. I don't have my copies here - but I'm pretty sure it's the standard way older editions handled supplies. That was the irony I was trying to point out. Now did people use it? Not that I could really say. In 198X we mostly didn't give a damn about encumbrance.

What the heck - I edit and it reposts... So I'll add a thought on Nostalgia. I think the OSR was significantly about nostalgia, but it's useful to think about nostalgia a bit more then good or bad. Nostalgia isn't just a deadly disease effecting pre-20th century soldiers ... it's a really...

Note James isn't talking about specific encumbrance for items - he's discussing the dungeon as a puzzle solved by item use, and yes - this is part of the long term set of OSR interests and ideas. What I'm pointing out is that the use of a Miscellaneous Equipment "80 cn" catch all vs. slot or...

That's fine. The issue is that your argument to refute it is that my goal in making this distinction is sadness or a sense of loss over something and that this invalidates the my thesis. It's either an ad hominine or a straw man, I don't care which really, but it's not an actual argument...

Sure - but this is around the time I at least started seeing more attention paid to specific encumbrance for supply items. Prior to this most often the idea that the referee could simply make rulings about the realistic size the miscellaneous adventuring material were the most common...

One can recognize that things are different without being upset about it or making a judgment that one is better then the other. This is how categorization works.

I note that the "miscellaneous adventuring gear hammerspace" you describe is exactly how OD&D, B/X, and AD&D approach mundane supplies... The idea that tracking rope and spikes and flasks of oil and torch weight individually is important was largeIy adopted mid-OSR as a way to revitalize the low...

But the Beatles did... and so did Lennon's music. More importantly, if one were looking at the change of rock over time, Lennon's death would make a great marker for the end of the dominance of 1960's and 1970's styles of British Rock and the ascendence of harder Heavy and Punk styles ... The...

I know two people who I consider major bloggers have been banned for linking their blogs. QB was warned for posting 2 links in a week (to different videos). It's not a blogger friendly or creator friendly place. Deny my personal experience all you want, but I stand by what I say. A blog...

Reddit actively discourages creators from posting - heck it bans you for linking to your own blog... reddit is for shelfies and fan art, not making things. Okay that's me being catty - apologies to the r/osr fans.

These are great products, but to me they are Post-OSR. Cairn is NSR, OSE started as a late OSR project and continues as a branded retro-clone with its own community. My point is again not to split hairs about the exact dates of the art movement but to point out that what we have now several...

Core OSE is essentially Moldvay Basic Expert (B/X). OSE Advanced takes various borrowings from AD&D's PHB, DMG, and MM and makes a larger game from them - this is where Gavin has done the most editing and transformation ... but again not a huge amount (AD&D is just a bit kludgey RAW and needs...

Not disagreeing with anything said here, I enjoy some OD&D myself, am happy to see and hear people like old games still and I should post here looking for players when I start my next online open table campaign ... but the desire of people to play older editions (YAY!) and the health of the OSR...

Jennell Jaquays deserves as much credit as we can give her. Nice to see the award.

Absolutely typical Gygax rulesmithing ... but I think this rule is interesting as it's also another item in OD&D to point to for its use as an adjunct to domain based wargames. How do you get dragons for your armies? Obviously you beat them up in the dragon beat up minigame (D&D) and then...

Yes this is precisely the period I'm referencing. I think the style of play varied among regional affinity groups (West Coast, Twin Cities, Lake Geneva etc), preferred periodicals - you are right to mention Alarums & Excursion, which has more than one style of play at work in it (though I think...

My own suspicion having read a lot of the documents from the era of OD&D and then the ones that followed in the TSR years is that alignment in OD&D is meant largely as a tool for determining army lists... In things like Blackmore and other early games (per First Fantasy Campaign, Strategic...