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I play with my warhammer all the time, IYKWIMAITYD.

Welcome aboard! We expect guild dues to be paid promptly, otherwise we send Teflon Billy to collect. You don't want that.

Imret and Krieg, your comments are worth pondering. /ponder :)

Agreed. :D

Sure they did. I maintain that you guys are too wrapped up in labels. One man's Norse berserker is another man's Mongolian hun.

Blond-haired, blue-eyed foreigners. IIRC, the natives (Baklundish?) are the swarthy ones.

yes, but you're missing the point. They de-Norse-ified barbarians, stripped druids of anything remotely Celtic, and watered down the Asian-ness of monks. Why? To make them applicable cross-genre. Why? To open up the game to multiculturalism. Why? Because it's 2005 and parochialism is so last...

Tell that to the Scarlet Brotherhood, a vast nation run by....monks.

Wait, Scientology isn't a religion? Why the hell am I paying all this money, then? As they say on other boards, IBTL*! ;) *In Before Thread Locked.

Actually, way back when this was Eric Noah's 3E hint site, I read a 3E designer post that claimed that William Wallace a good example of the 3E barbarian. While the barbarian can easily be a Norse berzeker, he isn't one in the core rules. If he were, they'd have called him a Norse berzerker...

In fact, you did. To put it in your words, what I said was "No-one in this thread is consciously ethnocentric..." That's a different thing.

And I'm not. Here, I'll dig up the post since you can't be bothered to click back a couple of pages.

Gerdrogg strolled along the rocky shore of Lake Oski, feeling sated and immensely satisfied. Her belly was full, her sisters were unaware of her doings, and she possessed the most powerful weapon that she had ever encountered. The iron tang of human blood still lingered sweetly on her tongue...

That's a cool character idea, Wayne. Consider it yoinked. :)

I specifically posted that I was not accusing anyone of racism. Open mouth, insert foot.

But that's the underlying issue--culture. This thread is a skirmish between those who believe that the core game is multicultural enough to allow other-than-European material, and those who believe that it shouldn't. It is, at its core, an ethnic issue with a scope far beyond D&D.

Correct. Biologically speaking, there is only one human "race"--homo sapiens. Everything else is imposed by culture.

My roommate got me the most thoughtful gift I've gotten in ages--four pint glasses with the Guiness logo, straight out of the pub. Drinks are on me! :)

Merry Christmas. :)

I love Euro-centric homebrew campaigns; in fact, I'm running one. Yet never since the first time I cracked open the 3.0 PHB in August of 2000 have I thought, "Hey, this monk doesn't belong!" It never crossed my mind that it was an issue for some people until I read this thread, and I'm as white...