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It was heavily implied that he was not someone you mess with. Like, Marlene, Robert and others who knew him (and were competent killers themselves, with literally an army of henchmen) were clearly terrified of him, and even to some extent Tommy (who'd explicitly seen him murder and torture...

NE. Repeatedly engages in cold blooded murder and torture of non-combatants and those at his mercy, uses both as a solution to his problems, has little issue potentially dooming the entire world to extinction for his own reasons = E. Not particularly driven to either individualism and liberty...

Agreed. It's about how everyone is the protagonist and the hero from that person's perspective. Really the end of the TV show was basically the exact plot of the movies Taken or Commando. Hero saves daughter from captors, murdering a ton of people on the way. We're used to seeing the above...

Different context, and different outcome. Mod Edit: Added spoiler tags. This thread is not about Ant-Man, which is still in theaters. Please be considerate of others who may not have seen the film yet. ~Umbran

I must have missed Ant Man going on a mass shooting spree in that film.

They omitted a fair bit of violence from the TV series. In the game, Joel obviously kills a lot of people. His kill tally by the end is huge. In addition, in the game he's also shown engaging in torture an additional time, casually breaking Roberts are in the QZ at the start, before Tess murders...

Glad you're not leading the Avengers. 'Why bother stopping Thanos? I mean; something else will eventually just come along that kills everyone anyway'. He does come out worse than them because he engaged in a cold-blooded massacre, while potentially dooming all of humanity to a horrible fate...

You're comparing a cure for a virus to a fungal infection. Apples to apples. The purported cure stops people from getting infected (it doesnt cure the already infected as far as I can tell). Bites from infected turn from 'always lethal' to 'painful and annoying'. The infected can be safely...

I agree and I said as much above. I'm not sure I can place her 'evil' (depriving Ellie of making a choice that she would almost certainly have made herself anyway, and killing Ellie, in order to save humanity) on the same scale as Joels (depriving Ellie of making the sacrifice she would have...

To spare her the pain and anguish of making it. Marlene told Joel this directly. Not really explained in any detail but it has something to do with the fact the Fungus in Ellie does not turn her into a rage fueled monster, and also stops her from turning into one when bitten by other infected...

In the game you literally find an audio recording from the doctor where he states he's ready to synthesize a cure. April 28th. Marlene was right. The girl's infection is like nothing I've ever seen. The cause of her immunity is uncertain. As we've seen in all past cases, the antigenic titers of...

Endings of both were the same. It hits harder in the game because you're railroaded. They deliberately don't give you the choice to go on a mass shooting spree and murder a bunch of people. It hits harder because you've spent more time with Ellie (and played her for a bit) and the bond is very...

Yep, they kept it pretty much as is from the game. I found the inference that 'being bitten at the moment of birth' leads to a potential immunity angle interesting. Im calling it the Blade immunity.

Doom clocks is a simple narrative tool you can use. When you're setting up the adventure midweek, frame the adventure with a doom clock. Or just implement a mechanical solution. Gritty realism or some other rest variant. They either accept it, or they dont.

The XP multiplier for multiple monsters in a single encounter reduces those numbers considerably.

Dont use rolled stats. For a lower powered game, use point buy and consider making a 13 cost 2 points and a 14 (the new max) cost 3 points. To compensate, have ASI increases add +2 to 1 stat, and +1 to another (this favors Fighters and Rogues, and devalues feats). Dont stack bonuses from ammo...

I wouldn't say it was controversial. Thought provoking for sure. Lets reconvene in a weeks' time when we can discuss it properly.

Dual wield them for the win.

Thank God they kept the Joel torture and murder (x2) scene in. It's about time we were reminded he's Not A Nice Guy.

Id rule on it the first time it came to my attention.