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Didn't notice that about the demon drake. 15-20 ft then? Not all the familiar drakes have to have breath weapons, if we want them to stand out a crystal drake can have spit instead like the ankheg.

So we're gonna make this psionic; it has a hide that reflects certain effects that's vaguely reminiscent of the prismasaurus; and gems have weird effect on it. Flavor is strongly psionic for me.

Been leaving you guys to work out the spells and they look pretty wrapped up. What were the others? Crystal drake is the only one I remember. On the side, I took a look ahead at the Mystaran gem dragons, and do I have a lot to say! Shockingly not psionic :eek: but I've gotten over that, and...

Slither--Hiss! sounds like illusion 2 to me. Should we give targets a Will save or a Listen check to foil it? Pretty--Boom! is evocation for me, since it can deal real damage. The damage has no energy descriptor (just concussive or piercing damage), but should it have a Force descriptor? Kinda...

That makes it more effective for me too.

So what school is the spell, illusion (the target is only apparently transformed), or transmutation (the target is physically transformed)? Either way it can be foiled by true seeing.

Since the first two varieties are smaller than the thri-keen, but not by much, I'm for same HD and Con adjustment.

OMG, the tohr-kreen have been on the back of my mind for months, and now that Dark Sun is the setting for 2010, will they appear there? (Course that's another story altogether.) For the HD, I'm comparing their relationship to thri-keen to that of hobgoblins to goblins and salamanders to...

Thanks Shade, but for me it can wait. There are so many prehistoric critters I love to see converted first. But if others want to take a crack at it, then go! :)

Well there are a few dragons that have extra physical attacks that don't affect the stats of the standard attacks, the Beastlands' beast dragon's gore attack being an example. Edit: Just saw that this is the 1003rd post. Time to continue this on a new thread isn't it?

Hey, we don't want you to lose your hair! ;) BTW, I didn't mention this during the dwarf elephant, but have the 1e minimals been converted already. if so which thread?

DC 25 to successfully bring back to life someone killed by one of these death angel types. That is sooo bad, I like it. So imagine how high the DC would be if an advanced apollyon did it.

Perfect!

My first impulse was DR/silver but adamantine works out perfectly. Good flight maneuverability too.

Everyone agrees on the Alertness so it's a go. Tusk and trunk attacks are ideal, as it's too small to stamp any Medium-sized PC. (Maybe a prone halfling or gnome, eh?)

Maybe just a couple mischief-causing ones. Those that really bring out its naughty, impish, irritating side. And if they cause some damage on the side, even if only non-lethal, all the better for the drake. Otherwise the breath weapon is a work of beauty. :cool: The only meaner breath I can...

Yup; they're not very charming creatures so that low Cha is justified. :] I'm thinking of them as dour angels of death.

Ooh, a Large outsider with a death ray like the catoblepas, and a poisonous bite and lethal claws to boot! Totally bad-ass for a neutral being!:devil:

I agree with Cleon that Medium-size is a better fit; the wyrmling gold dragon pictured next to a humanoid paladin in Draconomicon gives a good gauge of size. And they're found elsewhere as well: California, and in my own backyard (not literally though!). Anyone remember the minimals from 1e...

Hey, Eomanis. We have a species of Manis in one part of the Philippines. I guess the stat to be worked on in detail is the AC. Also, since the scales are flat and triangular (but not necessarily razor-edged), if they deal slashing damage to predators attempting to grapple a dawn pangolin curled...