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Valor Bards are not complex to play for a caster. Their Bardic Inspiration is still just hand it out, there's no daily swapping to worry about, and they pretty much cast spells or cast spells and attack. Contrast that to a Glamour Bard who fuels Beguiling Magic with BI and possibly Mantle of...

This isn't a big issue. It's a restriction. Think "kill zone prep". It takes time and gold to place several Glyphs that are both offensive, defensive, and/or self healing. Another restriction is in the spells prepared versus slots available. For example, a 6th level Valor Bard has 3 slots...

I didn't mind playing them before. Moving on a Crit looks like it would add to the fun but I am not playing one yet. Still working on my Alice Cooper Nightmare Bard.

I think any of these classes can be complex in building beyond the basics, especially when adding in multi-classing, but what happens when we multi-class the Champion in crit-fishing builds? Seems very complex to optimize. I voted based on my impression of average play, not double thinking...

There are still stipulations on what spells can be used (targets a creature or AoE) and how the targeting works for the Spell Glyph, but yeah, we can do a lot with downtime and gold. It's a Bard / Cleric / Wizard spell for reference. Wizards and Clerics get more out of it based on the...

I agree with this. Casting a cantrip in place of an attack is a feature of Extra Attack for these subclasses, which should not stack per this stipulation.

The PC can avoid concentration altogether if they have time and gold to prepare with Glyph of Warding. Spell Glyphs last their duration regardless of concentration and there's no stipulation against using buff spells. An example would be a Haste Glyph the caster sets to trigger on themself for...

CME on a Valor Bard and Warlock splash is going to be a solid base. I expect errata at some point. Valor Bard still works decently well on it's own for people who don't want to multi-class. CME + Extra Attack with Truestrike + the Nick trick thru a feat + Battle Magic produces 4 weapon attacks...

Dragon Sorcerers are still converting points back and forth from spell slots using Font of Magic mixed with Metamagic. It's a basic feature of the class from 2nd level on. That's not simple no matter how we look at it. Depends which subclass. Bardic Inspiration adds complexity we don't see...

I find bards are relatively simple in game play and the complex part is only in spell selection as far as spellcasting is concerned. Sorcerers are balancing slots to points, points to slots, metamagic, and spell planning. The idea that sorcerers are more simple in complexity than bards seems...

I voted Warlock. Patron spells picks a lot of the spells available for the player and Pact Magic paces the casting of those spells for the player and Eldritch Blast is a straight forward typical approach to combat. They even have a relatively small list for their limited selection of spells to...

I like this point. If we're going to argue semantics and appeal to definitions for the rulings we want then "give" implies consent and participation in achieving those rulings, which is counter to the desires of the target; therefore this example illustrates how that approach in arguing can be...

That's part of why 5e bards aren't more powerful than 3.5 bards. 5e bards have less skills relative other classes. 5e bards have less bardic inspiration. 5e is based on CHA bonus use single targets while 3.5 was based on bard level use multiple targets. Fascinate DC was so high most...

There was a lot more to 3.5e bards than ppl think, but this is a bit more like the DDO approach. Fascinate in the PHB was limited to 1 target plus 1 target per 3 levels. The Fascinate DC was a Perform check. The Suggestion DC was 10 + 1/2 level + CHA modifier.

This becomes a distinction between rounds and turns where off turn reactions become important in the round.

Warlock dip delays higher level spell access. Pick up Shillelagh with an origin feat, first round use the bonus action for Shillelagh, attack action replace 1 attack with Truestrike and the other a regular attack. Subsequent rounds take the Attack action, replace one attack with Truestrike...

That delays acquiring BI dice and affects spellcasting. Can be done but with a little caution. It's nice that they can use their weapon as a focus now.

Personally, I would probably just use Truestrike but this could be Flame Blade, Chromatic Orb, or Vampiric Touch; or any other attack roll spell from the Bard, Cleric, Druid, or Wizard lists. Using a higher level slot out damages a cantrip easily enough, and can have additional effects. It...

It doesn't matter if it's attack cantrips or attack spells that might be used instead. Using cantrips, like using skill checks, has the added benefit of saving slots for prepared spells for other uses. Now that bards have better attack cantrips those cantrips can be leveraged that way more...

A boost to initiative is always useful. There's no question that's a solid ability for Dance bards. It's the cost associated compared to Lore bard's leveraging skills and extra spell options to get that advantage that manifests from those options that's useful. Not quite. A Lore bard who...