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I agree. As an alternative though I could see save or die spells maybe knocking opponents down to minus 1 hit point. This would give the players a window of time to keep the remaining players alive so get to killing. For something that should kill you though, even after being healed I would...

In order to play test you need to sign a contract to not talk about it, so if anyone speaks up on this point and claims they are, then they are either lieing or have breached their contract.

That sums up most of my feels on the subject.

If your big problem with save or die effects is that you are worried that you have a 5% chance of dieing from a save or die effect, then come us with a solution to the puzzle rather than throught he puzzle out. There is a feat in PHBII I think, Steadfast Determination, that allows you to use...

WTF?!? :eek: :confused: :\ I have no idea what you mean, I thought he actually had a good point but I don't see yours.

Let's see,, walls of force can be shaped, so they do work like that, they are invisiable, so you have line of sight and that is exactly how maximized and empowered work, takes the varible die and maxes it and empower multiplies it by 1.5 1d4+1 maximized equals 5 then empowered equals 7. Even...

The only death effect that I can think of that was save or die was when Hon Solo was frozen in carbonite and made his save versus death and lived, although frozen. If Empire Strike Back was the first in the series he would have been a red shirt or a sub-character. Actually, his role as a main...

Well, you don't really know how much damage spells do in 4th edition either. Maybe all spells will be kinder and gentler spells doing 1d2 damage per level save for half of it being subduel. :D :p :lol: I think it is safe to say that in 3.0 and 3.5 wizards can generate massive amounts of...

Other than Mel in Braveheart, (save versus your inerds or die) you are not going to find a main character who dies. By their death they become cohorts. I really feel that is a bad example on your part.

My bad on the liberal thing. I posted it early morning and thought about it while I was working but I got so swamped at work that didn't even get a chance to read feed back or even think about this post until this morning. I changed the title myself too. I wasn't trying to get political or...

You know that not only can the bad guys use save or die effects but the good guys can too. What do you propose to do with Power Word Kill? Should everyone start with over 100 hit points so they wont die from a 9th level spell?

LMAO, yes, that might be :) Anyway, I agree that a villian should me killing the family members and such to be evil and chaotic but then what becomes of the necromancer? I cast my 7th level finger of death spell and if the villian fails his saving throw he gets sickened for d4 rounds. Ooo...

Do you think 4th edition is going to take the game into a realm where the rules are way to soft on the players and too hard on the creatures? Below is an article from WOTC's website called, "Grab a d20. Roll high." I infer from this that there are not going to be save or die saving throws, bad...

Well, this might have been a time when I took the rules a bit too far into the realm of being against the player, but it made them fear falling, like you should. When I annouced the new rules they thought it was actually better than the current rules, to my surprise. I thought I would get a...

One of my biggest peeves is that clerics have a spell that covers just about anything and the spells that piss my off the most are the ones that make them better fighters than fighters. So, you want to become one catagory larger, get a +6 to strength, increase your hit ponts and get the same...

Falling damage always pissed me off too. I once had a halfling climb up a well. He got about 160 feet up and a spider attacked him. He thought about it for a moment and asked how high he was, then he grappled the spider. I said, "okay, you fall since you are not holding onto anything," He...

Actually things like the Plague have various type of infection. One person might get sick quickly and take a long time to recover, if at all, and others might be infected for days or weeks, feel and look fine then one day become tired and weak within a few minutes and die. Same disease...

Well, they kind of do with weapon finesse. A touch attack would be a DEX attack if you had weapon finesse. However, I think they should have some melee weapons that are always finesse (DEX) weapons and some that are always STR weapons and some that are both. I also hate that you need a feat...

Does this mean you are trademarking the phrase, "Next Shiny New Thing?" :D :p :lol: I understand where Xer0 is coming from as I understand where you are coming from. I have one friend who bought every 3.0 book and refuses to buy any 3.5 because he has the complete set of 3.0 and...

What is your top question/concern about 4th edition?