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I wrote my WotC congressman. Then I got a visit by some weird dude in robes. I hate living in Thay. :(

In a way, yes, and yet, not really. Again, for the third time, Eberron (and warforged) aren't -more- contrived than other settings and some stuff from such. Anyway. The difference is.. It's hard to call elves contrived because they are just another race, like humans, in most ways. So they...

Again, I feel the need to reiterate that -all- other settings have contrivances built in. That said, no matter how cool and interesting the story is.. It -is- contrived! I can't help but -see- that the idea of a "ECL +0 Construct" came -before- the story that allows them to exist. Then...

I -said- something about it was dumb. :]

Which is why no setting ranks higher than "neutral" on my scale.. All settings have dumb stuff about them. Other thanb, of course, my awesome, too good to be published Homegrown Setting. Darn it, even that setting has dumb stuff about it. :(

If you write your WotC congressman, there is!

Just to clarify.. I'm neutral about Eberron. To me, that means I'm just as likely to play/run it than any other setting. Since I don't have Eberoon books.. The only reason I posted in this thread to begin with was the absurd defenses to the warforged races. If any Eberron-lover had said...

Doesn't stop me from being AWESOMELY RIGHT! Seriously, it highlights my whole problem with the warforged. Ignoring the need to have them as PC-playable race, and ignoring weird "accidents" that any PC would whine if it happened to them, they make no sense, since, using simple RAW, you can have...

As the ruler of a Kingdom, I'd take a totally obedient, awesomely powerful Iron Golem over your "adaptable warriors" that my Golem could crush. And while my Golem is busy doing that, I'd spend my time trying to buy out your sentient warforged, BTW. :) My Golem is uncorruptible, and...

You're getting outside of the discussion. We're talking War machines. -One- Iron Golem is better than the equivalent number of warforgeds with cheap equipment, or one warforged with equipment commensurate with the cost involved in creating whatever equipment you want. So house Carnith would...

I take issue with the "weren't created by PCs". Sure, by the Campaign setting book, they weren't. But whatever NPCs were involved back then, technically, could have been PCs. See.. What I'm trying to say is that the background used to justify the existence of the Warforged would have been...

Excellent! I'll take an Iron Golem, and take the equivalent number of Warforged, with regular equipment, and we'll fight it out. :)

Probably not as metagaming as disagreeing with various tactical advantages. A fully obedient, mindless soldier, with higher capabilities, to me, is better than a sentient, potentially disagreeing, less capable soldier. But that's me, and I could be proved wrong on the battlefield. :)

Ahh.. But I have very fond memories of myself and my buddies, in the hallways of my highschool during lunch period, discussing the fine points of D&D.. It can be fun, as long as everyone remember that, in the long run, it means jack.

Nah, my reply would remain the same, really. Now, understand, I'm not an Eberron basher. I'd be more than happy to play in Eberron, and after spending time with the books, I could probably be happy running a game there too. But it does require a tad more suspension of disbelief than your...

True, t3h intarweb, is is "serious business!" :lol:

I guess both of you missed my point, intentionally or not. So we have house Carnath (or whatever) mass-manufacturing golems for the war effort. Eventually, somehow, they become sentient! Awesome! Warforged PCs! This is cool! But if you are a PC in my game, and you create golems, and, after...

Perhaps, but you can't make blueberry pies with apples. What the heck are you getting at?

Now I know this wasn't directed at me, but still. 1-Just because it's new and shiny doesn't mean it's good. 2-Dragonstar.

Have a golem created by a PC in your game achieve sentience by "accident", and you can tell me if it's something that "makes sense".