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I could load a crossbow and I haven't been trained. I could see a commoner not knowing a quarterstaff perhaps, but in a dangerous world, even farmers are going to train to defend themselves.

I don't. The dragon is the quintessential D&D monster and I want it to be a terrifying experience for PCs, who will dwarf every farmer out there but the very rare 14th level fighter(or whatever class) who retired to be a farmer. An upset is okay with me, but it needs to be an upset of PCs/NPCs...

I know. England, though, was VERY effective with their longbowmen. We have halflings, but I've never seen a Ling. Now I see that they have their own bows and everything!

Why would half a dozen super powerful adventurers be the same as a hundred farmers? 5e borked dragons big time. Now they're just overgrown flying lizards.

Because they are afraid of those commoners. A dragon should be able to land in the middle of them and leave relatively or completely unscathed. They shouldn't fear farmers.

Yeah. Our disagreement stems from my view that at some point magic weapons should be needed to get past some sort of DR, not about whether or not dragons should be feared by the masses.

Yes, but those lords didn't want to spend a lot of money on fodder, which was what commoner militias were. They were trained in simple weapons, usually spears, swords, and axes. Sometimes bows. England trained them to use longbows, which in D&D are martial weapons.

Which is why they need the DR. The AC doesn't match the lore because of bounded accuracy. There's no way in hell a roper should be harder to hurt than an adult or older dragon. There is far more to defense than just AC. You just pointed out how Daenerys wouldn't have been able to do what she...

Behir are supernatural creatures. Umberhulks are supernatural creatures. Bulettes are the one thing you mention with no supernatural component. However, NONE of those have hides like dragons.

Your detailed options involve dragons terrified to take on a village(not a city, or even a town) directly. Dragons should not be fearful of farmers, and of your options and tactics indicate that they are.

Do you not believe the PHB rule because I didn't attach a page number to it? I can provide the page number if you need me to. It says very clearly that commoners are proficient with most simple weapons. It's not true by RAW at all. If you want to call the MM RAW, then RAW says that monsters...

They are not extraplanar, but most assuredly not in the same way as giants. Their scales are legendary in their thickness and ability to ward off damage from weapons. There's a reason why people make armor from them. Plus, while they are not extraplanar, they are still a magical/supernatural...

I really liked what 3e did. Young dragons had no reduction. Young adults had reduction of 5, so it was possible for weapons to still hurt them with those rolls of 20. However, once they reached mature adult and hit that DR 10, a roll of 20 from a typical ranged non-magical weapon would do...

I think that was added more for the PCs than NPCs. In any case, that's not the issue. The issue is with the removal of needing magic weapons to damage things and/or damage reduction rather than resistance. The 5e rules created this problem.

I mean, RAW is the PHB where it says simple weapons. There is no MM rule that gives all of their proficiencies. Or are you mistaking the club being the weapon in the stat block all of their proficiency? Because the weapon given is not the only one they are proficient with. Yeah, I added a...

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It shouldn't be suicidal in the first place. It's only stupid if the commoners can in fact kill the dragon, and the dragon should be deathly afraid of the commoners, but isn't. It should be able to just take it all and leave. It uses these tactics because it's deathly afraid of commoners with...

It shows up in 1e and 2e. ;) But again, morale isn't the point here. The point is that it shouldn't even be mathematically possible for village commoners to kill even an adult dragon, let alone an ancient one.

The number keeps shifting because we haven't bothered to do the math again. We know that 1) the math does check out with commoners, and 2) that isn't the point. The point is that all it takes is a village to hit 1000 commoners, which can generate the number needed to kill the dragon...

A light crossbow is a simple weapon, so yes commoners are proficient. "Your race, class, and feats can grant you proficiency with certain weapons or categories of weapons. The two categories are simple and martial. Most people can use simple weapons with proficiency. These weapons include...