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I could not disagree with you guys ANY MORE. I only DM. If my players wish to find certain magical items, and they have the cash they can GET THEM. It might take a while or something, but why limit players to what YOU as the DM think is "good enough to dole out". This is NOT Old D&D...

EXACTLY. They don't want their characters put into "Good and Evil" boxes because then what if ..... GASP...... there might be good and evil actions? What if being selfish is not inherently good? PLEASE don't make me think! ARGH!!!!!!

Exactly the point of my thread here. People CANNOT accept actual good and evil. Mostly because people DON'T want to think about themselves or others as Good and Evil. Luckily in D&D there is such a thing.

WELL if you go by the DMG Assassin they'd have to be higher than Character level 5 and all "official assassins" would be Moderate Aura at minimum.

This has been answered above correctly so I will just add this... Evil and Good leave a distinct "Aura" on a person which is effected by game mechanics, from Magical Items, to spells, etc. Does this NOT beg that Good and Evil are more Mere "ideas" in the 3E version of D&D?

Kengar, nice post. Yes alignments are not absolute. That's why I argue that Good is in the Actions, not the character. You may THINK you are a good person, but if you do nothing about bad things all the time, it's just your THINKING not reality. Also, remember this IS A world different than...

Let me HOPE you are talking about 2 different parties right?

This thread died too soon. Heck they made another Just like it. Bumpity Bump.

Not to be too player Bashy but... Anything without a PLUS in it. If they can't wear it, or hit you with it, they ignore it. Sigh. The party literally has dozens of scrolls and dozens of potions, that would REALLY help out from time to time. Saving them for a "Rainy Day" is their motto...

Hong you GOTTA know it's a slow learner. See Special Ed. :D

Ummm what he said! Falcon you copied me before I could even type it!!! :p

Isn't there a whole forum designed to kiss butt in? ;) Edit: Yep it's called Meta. FYI. heh

1) Surprises around every corner 2) Reacting to things that are not there, sometimes passionately. 3) Making me change dice only to watch me roll 20's with theirs, and not killing me for it. 4) Allowing me to take back mistakes from time to time. 5) Allowing me to look up a rule I...

I agree with the above posters. Games are made by people working together. Example: I am the DM. I wanted to play the RttToEE as a "Good" vs. Evil romp. I wanted larger than life Good. The players all turned green. They wanted to play mercenaries who got dragged into this thing for...

I am not an Absolutist, I try to be pretty straight forward though. If you are a NG Commoner Farm Boy and a horde of orcs kills your family and you hide and someday you right that wrong, then you Are a Hero and you didn't suddenly become Neutral when your familiy died. I allow for Wiggle Room...

HAH Thanks for bringing the cynicism back! It was getting way touchie feely! You are SOOO OFFF yourself it's funny. You're talking about an imaginary game, where good and evil are real physcial and spiritual forces, and you STILL spout "Lawful Stupid". Not on my watch mister! Just because...

Heh I have had a TPK once. Only once mind you. :) I would NEVER call my players stupid after they all died. Isn't dying bad enough? If your DM is sending "Secret" messages of when you should run, and when you should not, then WTF is wrong with him? I'm straight with my players. Make YOUR...

I'm sorry to hear that. People, is that why you feel being good is so dangerous? Your DM just throws it in your face and you never get any real credit? Your good deeds just backfire all the time? That SUCKS. If any DM's are reading this, ummm... you may be responsible personally for making...

Luckily Rounser I don't do that. I let the dice and the encounters fall where they may. I told my players that I don't pull puches, and I DON'T! I also let the dice fall where they may. We've had several tragic deaths over a single die roll. That's the way it is. I leave it for my PLAYERS...