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Fireballs not needed for that. Our group would just radiance of the dawn stuff like that assuming they knew it was that weak. And new zone spells better for that anyway (10/level duration).

Fireball has save for half. CO optimized in effect has no save it's rare to miss. Its also any element. Fure one of the more common resistances. Lvl 4 spell slot it's 9d6 save for half vs 6d8 90 or 95% accuracy in effect with 10% crit chance. . Critical hits and paralysis is what you're...

Compared to later D&D. Also had dark ages/sword and sorcery vibes. 2E went more 17th century and 5E went 17th century Renaissance Faire.

1E was more 14th century with a few anachronisms eg two handed swords.

Its not steampunk it's Americanized Renaissance Faire. Eberron magitech.

Yeah seeking spell as well. Just having a discussion with elven accuracy and an acid build. Metamagics are empower and energy substitution. Or ditching energy substitution and ignoring fb/lb. Okd reddit post right near release compared it vs chain lightning. I thought they were joking...

Except you run out of gas fast. As I said I've stress tested up to 12th and 6 encounters plus boss fight 5.5 or 5m0 X5 deadly and I think we went up to ten encounters. The attrition based model basically doesn't work. Unless players blow all their spell slots throwing direct danage...

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ENworld wont agree on anything and everyone thinks theyre right. Mostly out of touch as well. Generally we skew older and have played multiple editions. That's probably sub 10% if not 5% of the player base now.

They use beyond now for playtesting. Self selection hard core players who lean towards more complexity/power. If anything kills 5.5 it's losing the casuals. Or the DMs.

Its a attempt to make others play their way imho. You can get a game that does XYZ you like good luck finding players though. Even if your D&D sells 90% less than WotC D&D it's probably X10 bigger than your preferences.

Those old school basic fighter pit modern ones to shame lol. 1d8+3 damage is very useful when opponents have a lot less HP. And depending on game it may be a lot more than 1d8+3.

So would I. There's other spells for fodder clearing. CO being less bad as Fireball nit a bad description lol. Without sorcerer to manipulate it it probably falls off hard. I may take CO on certain classes via feat eg warlocks, cleric druids as they lack anything equivalent eg no fireball...

If they use sliw it's usually that plus command/hold/tashas whatever on what's left over or stunning stike. Way of Fists Monk, glamour bard, bladelock, Dragon sorcerer if we hit 5 or 6 players light cleric. New barbarian player whose occasional at this point. Beatsticks are monk and...

I still pine for a fixed 3.5 D&D occasionally. I didn't like the numbers bloat/engine though. Conceptually it had great stuff

Quickest we will see 6E is 5 or 6 years. Say 5.5 peaks early eg year 1, two years to realize it's not getting better, 3 years to do 6E. Revisions won't work forever eventually 5E will bore people. Its the when I'm not sure about.

I think it's other way round. 5E hit most good things for most people. They also did the wide playrest to figure out what people wanted.

3 will likely do it but you kinda of proves the point how anemic they are. 3 AoE or multiple target control spells would probably shut tge encounter down. Single target Save or sucks not such a fan.

If you had a time machine D&D as a 10 level game would work. Grand high poobah in charge I wouldn't make that decision though.

I'm leaning towards danage spells scaling for free. Polymorph would not. Damage spells haven't been good since 2E as they overhauled saves. You still have large variances in good and bad saves. Hell target into, cha then wisdom with spells in that order. 5E casters basically suck at...