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I am talking about this: That is NOT true of the game that Arneson and Gygax designed, of which 3e is a hack.

The difference from the old game is like night and day. As well,

That's not 1E. That's a Second-Edition-ism, necessitated (?) by dropping repeating 20s from the combat matrices. The charts include AC -10.

You made the problem for yourselves, I suspect. If you take a WW2 game, and you arbitrarily rule than one can have only infantry or armor or artillery or an air force or battleships or submarines or aircraft carriers ... then you deserve what you get. That is simply not how the game was...

Huh? It's perfectly doable to have that type in old TSR-D&D. I don't see why it shouldn't be at least as much so in 3e. Do the same thing Mouse did: start as an m-u, then switch to thieving. How is that "barely playable"? Even without the m-u background, a thief gets to use scrolls (e.g...

Accidental absolutism is the problem here, Professor. The train of thought goes off the rails when heavily flawed gets tossed in arbitrarily, without the predicate of heavy problems. One can lightly revise a rules-set to make minor improvements, can one not?

So is shooting poisoned arrows (magic ones, if the m-u has protection from normal missiles). Three poison saves = 78.4% chance of killing level 21+ wizard. (vs. 27.1% for a level 17+ fighter) Ten magic arrows average 45 points of damage, while a 29th-level wizard (when topped up) averages 45.5...

The bard is not a class; it's the munchkin's notion of powers of all the classes in one package. That's so basically lacking in class in a classy system that of course it keeps getting revised. When "wizard" was a title one earned, the game worked. All the "new and improved" has simply made...

APPENDIX TAU: INSPIRATIONAL READING Carter, W. Alton. THE ABASHED NARRATIVIST OF MUSKRATIA; MANKINI IN THE CITY OF THE NARRATIVE MONGERS; MANKINI AGAINST THE GODS

"To err is human, but to really foul things up you need a computer." - Paul Erlich “The best thing about a boolean is even if you are wrong, you are only off by a bit.” - Anonymous

What if we have a good time when we're allowed to get on with playing a game, not when the referee is always cheating? Nonsense, unless one were a paragon of incompetence. However, "fudging" to save a character from a due demise does mean that if ever any character dies it has become your...

I'd like to point out that the point I was making was one based on the difference between reaping the rewards of skilled play of an especially challenging strategy (risk:reward) and having a cake walk handed to you on a silver platter to eat with the silver spoon you get just for picking Monte...

...about 20 years behind Striker (1981 rules set for 15mm Traveller miniatures).

So does getting only +x, based on difference in levels. So what? (Those of a logical bent can see that "what" is you arguing with great clarity against yourself!) No kidding? I don't see high level Powers, etc., as less qualitatively rather than simply quantitatively stronger than low level...

Those 3e cats screwed up a lot, I agree. Picking up hit points by the thousand at "Wands R Us" ? LOL! Why not just answer "y" to DO YOU WANT UNLIMITED LIVES? Going Beyond the Fields We Know: It's not just an adventure, it's a job! Actually, it's mostly a job, eh? All the cool stuff is back...

No, actually it did not stop being that way after I got past OD&D. Your claim is not in the same galaxy as even nearly for E. Gary Gygax, who wrote what was the next thing past OD&D for most people: Advanced D&D. Ever heard of the Circle of Eight? I've rarely seen anyone play a monk or bard...

Yes, it is. That's how it comes into existence in the first place. It's an "encounter", remember, in the WotC-speak sense of the term! That says it all, which is the problem.

Based on what? I have given you the basis for my claim. I am pleased that you should weigh it on its merits. You offer none whatsoever for yours. I weigh it on its merits.

It is (or at least used to be) a free market. If you want to field an m-u, then there's no rule against it! Usually, in my experience, one gets to take just one full-fledged player character (as opposed to henchmen) per expedition. The guy who puts all his eggs in one basket, so to speak, may...

King Arthur Pendragon has that (and more) covered. So do some other games that are not D&D. I reckon it ought to be fine for D&D to reciprocate by being itself and not them, too. Variety is the spice of the gaming life.