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The 5e24 red (also CR 24) has a DPR of 205. So this is not that far off. Did you use old or new CR guidelines in your analysis? OK, so I just checked and I am getting around a CR 21-22 (@ 252 DPR - I didn't check that) with the new CR rules.

The post you responded to was about Asian dragons which do not have a means of propulsion either.

Ok, I don't know if it is the 2hrs of sleep a covid fever dream or both, but I think I got it figured out. The topaz dragon flies backwards with is tail rigid and pointing straight out like e Quetzalcoatlus' neck! :p

balloons don't fly they float. That is why it is easy to debunk them as UFOs.

we do have RL animals that have some odd wing motions. I actually find the idea of the Topaz dragon flies like a giant hummingbird a bit interesting.

Would backward wings inhibit flying backward?

My apologies, I do see how that came off rudely. It was just a matter-of-fact observation from my point of view. I did not intend to offend. Like how I am not particularly good with color. We all have our strengths and weaknesses. I am now perplexed as you can seem to easily identify the subtle...

I agree with you on the dragonborn (but am fine with it for those who like them), but disagree with you on the 5e24 dragon designs (note I say design and not art)

Yes, Zard says that. However, every time he does that his groups curb-stomps the monster. IIRC, I recommend a CR 21+ in the other thread given his group size and level.

As a counter point: since we know historically your (@Zardnaar) group destroys 5e monsters, I wouldn't change the damage / CR. Instead, I would give an ability, a reaction maybe, to escape being pinned down.

The green is a hard one for me. I really like the 5e24 design, and it makes sense from the mythological / folklore of serpents and green's as manipulators. However, it is far from its origins and doesn't really say "forest dragon."

How can you tell?

Yes. I was calling for it shortly after 5e14 was released. I even made a thread about it. I would link to it, but I need to jump into a meeting (and then I really need to work)! PS - I think almost all of the 5e24 designs are improvements over the 3e-4e-5e era of designs. PSS - I don't feel...

No the first two are both 1e: white and blue dragons. If you can't tell the difference then I suspect your pattern recognizing abilities are less than the average person. I mean one has a nose horn (nose horn = blue*) and one has a head sail (head sail = white). Those features have been...