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So you were not responding to 5e, but the posters preference for superhero wuxia starting at 3rd level? Can we agree that it is not the feel of the current system?

Me too. I don't know why I think it is less likely than simply a vibe. However, if the recent UA does turn out to herald a return of Dark Sun, then the vibe may start to shift IMO. I will wait and see!

I don't play with strangers so it has never been a hard sell. We (me and my group) all agreed to cap stats at 18 and generally limit magic items to a +1 bonus (they can do other cool things though). So that means my players effectively agreed to a penalty of -3 to -4. Why, because we all think...

IDK, I feel I could do that now with 5e. I can't say it would suffice for everyone, but it would work for me an my group.

What does that mean to you. I ran a 5e game to 17th level and it never felt like superhero wuxia to me. So I feel like we have different definitions of that term.

It is still to close to 5e 1.0 for them. It still swims in the same waters. They would prefer Hasbro/Wotc charted course to a new sea.

I am still hopeful (probably stupidly so) that they will publish a book that is all optional and variant rules and systems. I no longer think it is likely, but I hope!

I would suggest a significant number never played the game attritionally. We started with 1e AD&D and BECMI and we pretty much never tracked: food, ammunition, spell components, encumbrance, or even gold or equipment. Heck I don't even remember tracking the wizards spells per day (maybe the...

D&D doesn't need to have every option available. That, as far as I can tell, has never been true and it is definitely not true of 5e.

Why not just make 18 or 16 the stat max. It works very well for my group.

Sure, but it doesn't "need" to be that way. We cap at 18 and I have a level 17 character (Rogue) with a max stat of 16. They game actually works better, IMO, with less bonuses. You can achieve that with lower stats or less magic items or both (like we do)!

I can't speak about an individuals "feelings;" however, I high stat is definitely not needed in 5e.

Like I said, this medium his hard. It is completely possible you took their words as being rude and they never saw them that way and never intended them to be that way. It is the nature of the medium.

I don't see any need to start with such high ability scores. A 16 works fine in 5e. We have toyed with making that the max too (since AD&D maxed at +3 to ability score it would match that).

That doesn't work because of below. No, but we never really considered that idea actually. The whole point is to have half a feat coupled with a modest increase to ability. You can't have a half feat if you combine to half feats.

Yep, we currently cap ability scores at 18 in my game. If you want something above 18 you need a magic item to get you there.

That is to bad, I think they made a good point. Not sure I 100% agree with it, but it is relevant. Also, I didn't think they were talking down to you. I think it is more an issue of not talking face to face. These things can be easily misconstrued because of the format (which means I could be...

Yes, but the post I responded to mentioned "the current edition." My list of changes is way back in post #26. After reading through all these ideas I would probably add a few more items too.

You replied to fast! I updated my post as follows: "There is the problem. The current design of the game doesn't accommodate that.* Now, a revision to the game certainly could, but not my personal preference. *To rephrase that: the current design has feats with +1 ability score bonus. You...

There is the problem. The current design of the game doesn't accommodate that.* Now, a revision to the game certainly could, but not my personal preference. *To rephrase that: the current design has feats with +1 ability score bonus. You would eliminate that option if you got rid of ability...