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It's also been proven that words are important, especially when creating a new exception. If every clearly stated exception (like, "you score a critical hit") were to be picked apart like this one, then a whole host of powers would not work as designed and the game would break down. Wow - see...

Doubles 9s (for example) is not rolling numbers other than 20. It is rolling double 9s, something entirely new in the game. It's a new creation for Holy Ardor. All the other rules around hitting (and critical hitting) are around rolling one die (or the best of two, or something like that)...

:) Actually, the words they chose to use are critically important (if you'll pardon the pun). They chose words that removed all wiggle room. "You score a critical hit," means, well, "you score a critical hit." Not you "might" or you "can", or you are "allowed", just you "do."

No, actually, even though I don't think it adds anything, I have argued against it, showing how it does not apply. "Can score a critical hit" is not the same as "score a critical hit" nor the same as "allow" you to score a critical hit. The words "Can" and "Allow" are permissive rules that...

Rules Compenduim: Analysis: Critical Hit is only defined in terms of the three types of a Hit. Note the core definition: A critical hit deals maximum damage, and some powers and magic items have an extra effect on a critical hit. The first sentence about rolling a 20 describes one...

Strongly disagree. Page 276 defines a Critical Hit as a special subcategory of a Hit that does Maximum Damage. edit: It defines Critical Hit in terms of hit or miss (it's a hit) and getting maximum damage. Page 278 tells you when a potential Critical Hit gets confirmed as an actual critical...

I see it differently. You could miss, hit and not critical or hit and critical. You cannot miss and critical - those states are mutually exclusive. You can, of course, potentially get a critical hit and still miss, but that's different.

Not true. Page 276 says if you roll a natural 20 you might get a critical hit. It in no way says this is the only way to get a critical hit. Indeed, the rules on page 278 make it clear that sometimes you can roll other than 20 to perhaps get a critical hit. But, even still, this does not...

No, I am okay with it because that's the way Holy Ardor is written.

How is this even close to being an applicable analogy?? However, here is a baseball analogy that works. If you catch the ball, you might get an "out." See "OUT" below. OUT: When the ball is hit by the batter and you catch the ball while it is still in the air, you have scored an out. If...

True enough. I am not arguing with that at all. That's the normal case. However, if one is able to "score a critical hit" without also scoring the minimum number for a regular hit, then, because of the way critical hit is defined as a "hit" (rather than a "miss," the only other choice) you...

Page 276 defines what a critical hit really is. It's clearly a special hit where you deal maximum damage. That's from page 276. Note that Page 276 says that when you roll a natural 20 you might get a critical hit, but that does not exclude other ways to get a critical hit. In fact, page...

That's just flat wrong. Holy Ardor aside, a potential critical hit where attack roll result doesn't match the defense is not a ciritical hit at all.

Maybe not in those exact words, but I reiterate something I wrote that was after you quoted me: Critical Hit is defined as a "Hit" for it is defined under the header, "Hit" on page 276. "Critical Hit" is one of three types of Hits. The first type is just a hit (with no sub-heading), the second...

Page 276. "Hit: ...If you roll a natural 20 ... your attack might be a critical hit. A critical hit deals maximum damage." edit: reworded to be clearer: Critical Hit is defined as a "Hit" for it is defined under the header, "Hit" on page 276. "Critical Hit" is one of three types of Hits...

Right - see my post just above this one. :)

1. Critical Hit is a specific kind of a hit (or subset, or any term you like). Page 276. 2. The normal rules require a hit before it can be a critical, but note that once it is a critical hit it is indeed a hit also. Page 276 and 278. 3. A"Miss" is when the attack roll is too low, but...

By definition, "score a criitcal hit" means you hit. See rules for Critical Hit. Holy Ardor changes the prerequisites for scoring a critical hit. Since a Critical Hit, by defintion, also is a hit (as a subset of a hit, if you like), it is not possible to "score a critical hit" and yet not hit...

That would be nice, but, alas, the track record for WotC rule writing says otherwise. When they've published clarifications in the past, sometimes they come out exactly as I expected, and sometimes exactly as those arguing against me expected. I think they should have done a better job...

That's been mentioned a couple of times, but I find the concept of scoriing a critical hit that is really a miss to be ludicrous. The Critical Hit rules tell you how to score a critical hit. First hit the target, but not relying upon a natural 20, and then have the number be high enough for a...