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Relevance? Yes, that one was poorly done, but the way the rules was phrased made it was obvious how it applied. The same is true here. It is (or should be) obvious that a description of how a "bonus feat" works for a monster has no applicability to characters. I could go so far as to say...

There is no ambiguity, or, more correctly, any ambiguity is cleared by the context in which the term "bonus feat" is presented. The reference to "bonus feats " for monsters is refering to individual bonus feats listed in a monster's description and not related to how that might work for class...

"Intent" can be tricky, but context is usually reasonably straight forward.

Exactly. Also, I think each and every instance of "bonus" or "extra" hit dice comes with rules for what happens when you get these "extra" or "bonus" hit dice. The two things under debate (I think) are: 1. When talking about Inspire Greatness are the "temporary hit points" meant to be used...

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No, you have to read the "1 HD exchange" note in context - the context being how one modifies creatures in the MM. In that context, they are referring to creatures with a MM entry of 1 HD. Much of the confusion here (in this whole discussion) results from ignoring context when reading...

Well, strictly speaking, maybe so, but, obviously, the rules break down a bit when doing things this unusual. Anytime one ignores the "advancement" line in a creatures' description one has to assume that one may need to adjust the rules some place. However, given that a dragon ages slowly (25...

Quite right. Too bad they do not do so well at this. A technical term is frequently used in a generic sense in many places throughout the rules. Many previous rules discussions have revolved around such issues. That's part of the confusion here. Some of these "temporary hit points" are from...

Even if the answer is "A," that does not answer whether the hit points granted are actual "temporaray hit points" as per the actual defintion of temporary hit points, or whether these are some sort of "special" temporary hit points that are healable because they come from bonus HD and it was...

Sure. I meant there are some optional rules for extra human (elf, etc.) racial hit die, I think. The rules do not seem to make much of an allowance for a monster to gain class levels and then gain racial hit die. Depending upon one's reading, this may or may not actaully be prohibited by the...

I'll agree that that's a possible interpretation. I think the way it is written, and the section in which it is presented, means they assume that once you take a class for a monster that it advances only in that class and no longer gets any more racial hit die, as it no doubt true is nearly all...

Good catch, until you look closer. With the rules as written, that's correct (seems at first like an odd result, doesn't it?). But... dragons do not advance by class. Their advancement is specified as being by age category not by class (look at the entry for any dragon). You could run a...

Okay, I'll correct the post above. My mistake Still, the rules are clear on this one, and that is the point.

Actually, yes, there is a lot of language difference between how those other Bonus HD are presented and how the Inspire Greatness Bonus HD are presented. Though that's not my argument. My argument is that characters with class levels may no longer use the "type" improvement table (they might...

[Redacted: Hypersmurf beat me to it :)] BTW, as it turns out my argument holds up very well in all cases, with the possible exception of some optional rules that might specifically overide the core rules to allow racial hit die advancement for PCs somehow.

Ah, FINALLY, someone is actually taking on the key argument. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. Okay, let's say, just for fun, that there are more than two types of "improvement" (note I use the word "improvement" rather than "advancement" because that is the language used in the note and...

Okay, I'll do that. My most compelling argument was only recently discovered by me and may have gotten lost in the shuffle. The Creature Improvement by Type table itself has this note, "Note that if a creature acquires a character class, it improves according to its class, not its type." All...

No it's not - you are misrepresenting or misunderstanding my position. PCs/NPCs from the PHB (NOT including monsters as PCs/NPCs) do not use racial hit die (not counting some expansion book that might change the rules to add something in). I have completely limited my arguments to normal...

No, but I can see an argument that might support that. But... I want to stay with basic PCs, not monsters as PCs, to keep it simple, and because rules exist prohibiting basic PCs from using the "Creature Improvement by Type" table, but those rules are not as crystal clear when using Monsters as...