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I'm just going to answer these two points. 1) Quite a lot of kit? Bag of Holding type II and a HHH is 30 lbs. That's just two items that at high level many PCs are likely to have, as it lets them carry scads more. That's not a lot of gear, and it doesn't even include a weapon, and it's hardly...

But, it's no coincidence that Krusk gets the ride skill (gained in step 6) just before he's able to take the Mounted Combat feat (step 7). I honestly don't have any problem with resolving what the FAQ says with the steps in order as presented by the rules. Either way, it doesn't mean you can...

Except, I'd be spending my money on adding other abilities to my armor, not enhancement bonuses, which makes MV useful throughout a Cleric's career.

According to the rules of: 1. Choose Class. 2. Increase BAB per the advanced class. 3. Increase base saves per the advanced class. 4. Increase ability score if at appropriate level. 5. Add new hit points per the advanced class. 6. Add skill points per the advanced class. 7. Add a feat if at the...

No, it doesn't stack. It can, however, replace (if the MV bonus is high enough). Let's say you're a 12th level cleric. You have +1 armor and a +1 shield. You can use MV to have +3 armor and a +3 shield. Where this really comes into its own is if you have +1 armor with added bonus effects...

Nope. They spend *some* weath, but nowhere near all. In fact, at 9th level, with my 32k worth of GP, I spent only 4k raising my character's int. I like being more than a one trick pony. And, while I'm on this point. If I'm playing a Wizard, and for grins and giggles, I *am* spending all my...

Oh, wait... My cleric with her Mithril armor, shield and 30 lbs worth of junk still has her full bonus (well, maybe a point or two down from the max dex bonus of +1), as I'm still only in heavy load with a strength of 7... But, somebody else would have to be dropping items to bring themselves...

Oh, I guess with a Mithril Breastplate, we're actually running the same speed. And I have a better AC. And yes, we can toss back and forth with the scenarios, which makes any further debate pointless. Yet, why don't we see many clerics or druids taking a 1 level dip into monk? At 20th...

I've stated 'Why' before, because the bonus is so very easily removed. An NPC could negate the bonus to AC with a 1st level spell. It is very easily removed at even higher Spell levels. To totally wring the maximum benefit from this item, one has to spend just about all of their wealth on it...

You know, I really do want to think I'm not being misinterpreted intentionally by someone trying to make their own point. Having my words being twisted is tiring, as I can't see how you inferred your question from my posts, nor can others whom I've showed this thread to. I see no further...

Actually, another member of my gaming group and I did work out a price. I just don't care enough to post the formula. But, here's a hint... it's roughly in the 13k area.

And yet, as we've seen from an actual play experience, it doesn't really make a huge difference in the end. The 'contention' could also be made that a Charisma boosting item is more powerful in the hands of a sorcerer, as they benefit from more spells per day and a higher save DC, or in the...

Except that all the spontaneous casters you mention - Warmages, Bards, etc. - would also take the full round (as is implied) and also have the same 'tons of spell slots' to spend on the same spell over and over. Again, I really don't see the problem with the FAQ answer, but I wouldn't have a...

I'm just going to touch on this point right now, because this one of the *major* foundations of the argument. Saying that the cost is irrelevant makes your argument specious. Unless you're playing in a campaign with limitless wealth (for example, the classic 'Monty Haul' campaign), saying that...

Well, I'm on the side of it being fine the way it is spelled out in the FAQ. Um, no pun intended. :) My reasoning is the sorcerer's amount of available spells and the fact they're always available, as others have said. Look at it this way. The party is fighting Monster X. First instance...

See Post 50. It all boils down to the fact that it takes so much in other resources to make this one item anywhere near overpowered for it's cost, especially when it does have drawbacks that negate the bonus it provides. The item, to me, is designed in such a way that looking at it only by...

First, I don't see any examples from you showing of how you think the item should be priced, yet, you expect others to do just that. How would *you* price the Monk's Belt? I am honestly interested in knowing what you think is a fair price for it. Second, the 'Fidgit Bonus' doesn't work, as...

Obviously it must, because your fourth statement was my point. Since it doesn't stack with all armor and shield bonuses, it doesn't stack with *all* bonuses. Obviously, my mistake of including the word 'type' seems to have lead to way too many posts of people missing my point, so again...

Except the Armor Type includes more than just Bracers of Armor and the Mage Armor spell. It includes actual physical armors, which provide an Armor Type bonus. Which the the Belt doesn't stack with. Which means the belt doesn't stack with all Armor Type bonuses. (Same with Shield Bonuses.)...

Who's the one making the fallacious statements? Back in Post #27, I used Bracers of Armor in my example. The monk's belt doesn't stack with the Armor bonus provided by a physical suit of Armor, or the shield bonus provided by a physical Shield. Two specific bonuses that the belt doesn't...