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We have 7 7th level PCs with about 22 non-consumable magic items in the entire party (one of which is a minor artifact). It has not been an issue.

But, the player (or the PC) does not need to know this. The determination of high level slot for Counterspell just potentially automatically cancels the spell. Granted, the spell maybe should have been designed to increase the odds of canceling a spell with a higher level version of Counterspell...

Sixth level spells must need an additional body part. :lol:

How does the PC know that it is a third level spell?

Got it. So if you cast a Bonus action spell and a foe counterspells it, you cannot counterspell his counterspell because you cannot cast another spell with a bonus action spell. But if you cast a normal Action spell and a foe counterspells it, you can counterspell his counterspell because...

Unlikely. Since it is the player's turn, the character casting the spell is the PC. Hence, in order to counterspell a counterspell, the NPC opponent would have to be counterspelling a cantrip of the PC since the PC cannot cast two spells in a single round (unless one is a cantrip). Would you...

My DM dropped Chapter 4 the moment she read it.

You do not get to know the level of the spell being cast. However, the DM knows that and will let you know if you have to make an ability check when you decide to counter the spell. Note: I suspect that when a DM declares the targets and effects of (or asks for saves for) the spell, most DMs...

And elegant.

And in that scenario, a good strategy is to still cast Spiritual Guardians and in future rounds, use the Dodge action. And don't forget cover bonus against those arrows. It's GREAT for the PCs if the NPCs are firing arrows at the Dodging PC. For the most part, that's a waste of attacks...

Yeah, I'm a bit clueless on that as well. I actually run a multiclass PC (cleric 1, wizard 6) and we have another multiclass PC in the group (ranger 2, wizard 5) and it never occurred to either of us to come up with this type of interpretation. It is so far off the beaten trail in my mind that...

I actually this that this rule is clear as day and that 95% of the people reading it will read it as intended. What this means, in my mind, is that some people read and interpret written material in some form of computation manner. They don't read clear intent, instead they read "prep spells...

Your roommate is purposely being obtuse. They did write that. Once you pointed out the relevant rule of "as a single class PC" which includes the rule "use the cleric table to determine spell slots" (and hence prepped spell levels), he should at that point realize that your interpretation is...

Actually, the rules do make the distinction. See my earlier post. Rule #3. Single class Clerics use the Cleric table to determine the spell slots that they use to prepare spells. They do not use the multiclass table for spell slots. If you are preparing spells "as per a single class PC", you...

Not so cool if he says this at the breakfast table, just before going to school. :erm:

The spell slots from the normal single class table, not the spell slots from the multiclass table. Sorry, but this argument has no merit. "Preparing as if" does not mean "preparing as if but with this one table exception". In other words, there is no error. The logic is sound, it's the people...

That's an interesting take that I've not heard before. Based on what you have said earlier about your players planning out and controlling encounters, I wonder if part of the reason that your group decimates encounters might be due to cross table talk. You've mentioned that your players talk...

I actually prefer a middle ground between the two. I have "Squirrel!" syndrome. While saving the world from the tyrant, I enjoy finding a random crypt that has zero to do with the "campaign at large". As Lydia in Skyrim says "Hey, look, a cave. I wonder what's inside.". The game feels more...

The exact opposite can often be true IME. The fact that I have so much time to figure out what to do means that I often forget what I was planning on doing. Interestingly enough, my turn itself often takes less than 6 seconds. I roll my dice together with a single roll. I move my miniature...

The three rules we have are: 1) "determine what spells you know and can prepare for each class individually as if you were a single-classed member of that class." 2) "You prepare the list of cleric spells that are available for you to cast, choosing from the cleric spell list. When you do so...