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    My Paladin killed a child molester (and now my DM wants to take away my powers!)

    If the rapist were so formidable that he, with no armour and only concealable arms, and with his trousers undone, could defeat an armed and armoured 5th-level paladin, then one surprise hit plainly wasn't going to take his head off. Since the player and character in question explicitly did...
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    My Paladin killed a child molester (and now my DM wants to take away my powers!)

    No. I don't insist on formal courtroom action, but I do think that where possible there should be some sort of open demonstration of justice, some precautions taken and demonstrated to guard against hasty misjudgements. An immediate execution without considering the possibility of defence, and...
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    My Paladin killed a.. 2nd thread (The Verdict is IN - p4)

    I will serve if I am called. But I beg Lord Torm that I might be excused.
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    My Paladin killed a child molester (and now my DM wants to take away my powers!)

    I think not. He doesn't lay on hands, doesn't remove disease, and appears to be Lawful Neutral or Lawful Evil rather than Lawful Good. I guess you could treat his motorcycle as a Paladin's mount….
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    My Paladin killed a child molester (and now my DM wants to take away my powers!)

    Interesting. he doesn't have to be compelled to use lethal force to be justified in using it? He only has to be compelled to act in some way, and then he is justified in uusing lethal force? I note that you implicitly discount the possibility of immediately using non-lethal force. Why? Does...
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    My Paladin killed a.. 2nd thread (The Verdict is IN - p4)

    I am afraid that we are far from stagnation in County Durham. The Scots have just crossed the border into Cumbria, and I will be obliged to serve with my lord fighting fellow Christians over a futile border dispute. Kyrie eleison! As for corruption, since I first discovered the ability that I...
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    Here Comes the Jury!

    The rules for paladins regaining their lost powers are unfortunately rather complicated, and seem to be inconsistent, at least in PHB 3.0. Perhaps they were cleaned up in 3.5. If the paladin loses his powers through a wilful, knowing evil act can never regain them. (According to the Atonement...
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    My Paladin killed a child molester (and now my DM wants to take away my powers!)

    No. I have several times said not. In fact, the very piece of my last post that you quoted just before writing this made it clear that I do not. An urgent necessity to do something, yes. In some circumstances an urgent necessity to use lethal force. But in these circumtances there was no...
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    Here Comes the Jury!

    Which means that you were not considering the sentences proposed by those who voted to acquit? Because I certainly nominated ex-paladinhood as appropriate if any substantial charge had found to be proven.
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    My Paladin killed a child molester (and now my DM wants to take away my powers!)

    It isn't. If you would like to argue that this was an act of just war then make that case and I will consider it. I am not calling for the pomp of a courtroom. Just for some sort of orderly proceeding that indicates respect for the authority of judge and jury, allows for the possibility of a...
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    My Paladin killed a child molester (and now my DM wants to take away my powers!)

    Not in my experience. In my experience it becomes more interesting, challenging, and engaging as it takes on issues to deal with beyond the simply tactical. But of course other people feel differently. YMMV. YDWYDWP.
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    My Paladin killed a child molester (and now my DM wants to take away my powers!)

    What does 'compelled' mean in this context? What does 'necessary' mean in this context?
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    My Paladin killed a child molester (and now my DM wants to take away my powers!)

    I disagree. The role of the judge is to ensure that there is a fair and open trial, in which the every effort is made to discover the truth. The role of the jury is to hear both sides impartially and to render an impartial verdict. The point of doing it that way is not just to reach a verdict...
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    Here Comes the Jury!

    Perhaps some of them do: the ones who thing there is more to justice than arriving at the correct verdict. But you should also allow for the possibility that some think the action was so irregular, disorderly, and disrespectful to authority that it casts severe doubt upon the 'Lawful' component...
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    Here Comes the Jury!

    Some were. Most weren't. With every right goes an obligation, at least in the Lawful world-view.
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    Here Comes the Jury!

    The vote is now 6-5, with Barconius yet to opine. And I suspect that others besides myself may have misunderstood your euphemism of 'unbecoming conduct' for 'gross impropriety'. I notice that no-one who voted 'guilty' has suggested that Vindicator's characer should lose his paladinhood.
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    My Paladin killed a child molester (and now my DM wants to take away my powers!)

    Nope. There is no way that striking someone down on the basis of superficial appearances without even considering the possibility of a defence qualifies as an orderly trial, nor as a respectful approach to the authority and duties of a judge and jury. So now you are trying to tell me that in...
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    My Paladin killed a child molester (and now my DM wants to take away my powers!)

    Well, others have pointed out upthread that in some settings and under some circumstances a paladin is empowered, sometimes even obliged, to act as judge, jury, and executioner. Someone will be along soon to quote sourcebooks and expansions. My reply to this has been that Vindicator's paladin...
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    Paladin poll: How do you see paladins?

    Indeed not. But bear in mind that in my book 'becoming' means "flattering to the appearance", "decorous", "suitable". For a paladin to wear pants with the arse out of them is unflattering to his appearance, indecorous, and unsuitable, especially to a person such as a paladin who is supposed to...
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    My Paladin killed a child molester (and now my DM wants to take away my powers!)

    I don't think that is right. My understanding is that the girl had already been raped at least once. Which makes it clear that condign punishment was in order, but no clearer that lethal force was needed to prevent any crime that could, at that stage, be prevented.
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