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You're right except for one little thing: we were debating and voting in character. Rule Zero is a prerogative of gamemasters, and characters do not even know that gamemasters exist. What's wrong with getting a 9th-level cleric or druid to cast Atonement? That reverses a full loss of powers...

/me hangs head in embarrassment I am afraid that all three characters I have played under D&D 3.x have been generated under hideous rules such as 5d6-2L, seven times, keep best six, arrange as desired. This produces characters taht I am ashamed to describe in public, but it has allowed me to...

Exactly so. And yet the same consideration drives the two of us to opposite conclusions! Isn't that strange? My take is that the only ruling that we had any business making was whether Vindictor's character had committed was making any of the transgressions specified in the PHB, and that the...

Height makes a difference. An arch can't be lower than half its width until the invention of elliptical and sectional arches (mid-Mediaeval). And higher arches and domes are heavier, placing more stress on foundations. The dome of the Pantheon in Rome has a diameter of 38 metres (125 feet)...

I take your point, Sir Saladin, and agree with the thrust of it. Nevertheless it is traditional in my religion thus to express the truth that the faithful one obeys without argument and without thought of transgression, submits fully to the will of God.

Well, there are alternatives in between a decapitating stroke and saying "Fill your hands you son of bitch!". • The paladin could have struck for subdual damage. • The paladin could have grappled. • The paladin could have knocked the rapist to the floor. • The paladin could have grabbed the...

Good point. English equity courts (eg. the Court of Chancery) developed in the 13th century as a remedy for the strict legalism and ponderous procedure of the common-law courts of earlier time. That is one in the eye for those people who think that due process of the law is a strictly modern...

I am very glad to have been of service. I would be very interested in hearing your and your GM's reflections on some of the points raised in the debate. Something pointed out by one of the other posters changed my mind and reversed my vote (and therefore saved your butt), and I would be very...

Not yet. But I feared that my charcter's verbosity was about to try some players' patience.

My lord, I am happy to report that men are wiser than you dare to hope. Such crimes and worse are more common than we can understand without horror. And yet to our great good fortune bailliffs and justices across the land, and other servants of the law in other lands stay their hands in respect...

OOC: I ought perhaps to explain that Edmund Edwinson is a Saxon (or, strictly speaking, an Angle), and that if you argue with him about Justice you will get an earful. As a certain Norman Baron observed to his son: "The Saxon is not like us Normans. His manners are not so polite. "But he never...

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Thank you, my lord. A Christian who judges does so in peril of his soul. I pray that I will survive being judged with the justice with which I have judged Sir Vindicator. Kyrie eleison.

With respect, that is very far from being the only point. One other point is that a paladin is required to act with honour, and many of us doubt that stiking and unarmed man from behind without warning is honourable. A second point is that a paladin is required to respect legitimate authority...

21st-century morality? The presumption of innocence and the requirement of due process did not spring from nowhere during the last three years. Various law codes have been demanding orderly trials before punishment, and allowing for a defence for thousands of years.

Look a some classical and Helenistic Greek statues some day. Those models didn't have modern Mediterranean looks. Read in the Iliad about 'golden-haired Achilles' and 'red-haired Menelaus'. There have been some population movements since 300 BC.

I am perfectly happy for the paladin to do without a jury, of peers or of anyone else. I agree that it may be lawful that that he be judge, jury, and executioner. I do not ask for wigs, gowns, advocates, or adversarial proceedings. What I do expect is that any Lawful character dispensing...

I disagree. This value of 'Lawful' dominated for example the proceedings against Cicero after he saved the Roman state from the conspiracy of Cataline. They are discernable in the Code of Hammurabi and the laws of Draco and Solon. The Code of Justinian was Lawful by this criterion. St Olaf and...

Similarly, without taking into account knowledge of combats in the game world*, anyone would expect that if you grabbed a man in that situation by the back of the doublet and heaved he would come off his feet and out of the room. * Besides, a fifth-level paladin has presumably been in a lot of...

À propos, I have strong suspicion that the GM in the campaign in which I was playing Edmund Edwinson was setting me up to go along on the First Crusade, which (historically) was seven years after the point that the campaign had got up to. If he had survived so long, I expect that Edmund would...